****The Official NEW new new conference realignment & shit talk thread****

[Saul Good]

Let's do it.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Bambi

7+7=24?

You really are and idiot.

09 to 11 is a 3 year span. Each year was an average of about 8 million viewers. Wow u are dumb. My point was about the only game that actually matters....Championship. Football blows the door off the coin flip games by millions.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You took 4 hoops games and put them up against 3 from football. So pathetic and sad

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Bambi

13 Sun., 3/31/13 CBB: Elite Eight Louisville/Duke CBS 8.8 15.65M



19 Sat., 12/7/13 CFB: Regular Season Auburn/Missouri CBS 8.6 14.35M

So an Elite 8 game beat the SEC title game in viewers? That's just sad. I thought the SEC was a bigger TV draw than that but I guess when nobody outside the South cares about the sport, you get these type of numbers.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So an Elite 8 game beat the SEC title game in viewers? That's just sad. I thought the SEC was a bigger TV draw than that but I guess when nobody outside the South cares about the sport, you get these type of numbers.

Hmmmm...an elite eight game played on Sunday afternoon when nothing else is going on except bowling on ESPN just barely beat an SEC game played on a Saturday night.

Then again, the difference between the two is probably within the margin of error, and I would be willing to bet that they are more Nielson boxes in the Northeast than the South.

But I know you do not like to consider the whole picture when it does not support your argument.

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So an Elite 8 game beat the SEC title game in viewers? That's just sad. I thought the SEC was a bigger TV draw than that but I guess when nobody outside the South cares about the sport, you get these type of numbers.

Considering there were only two CBB games on that day, one followed directly by the other on the exact same channel, is the tiny difference that surprising to you?

Mizzou played in the SEC championship on the same day as Texas-Baylor, the PAC championship, the B1G championship, and the ACC and MWC championship games. Many overlapping, across 4 different network channels. I don't think it's that surprising at all, actually.

Does it surprise you that the other Elite Eight game on the same day had nowhere near the numbers that the second one did? Or that the two other EE games the previous day were also much lower?

Btw, KU's biggest television draw for the entire season was 2.98 million, when they played another "blue blood" in Duke. That works out to almost FIVE times as many people watching the Mizzou regular season game when compared to Kansas I believe. Weird

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So an Elite 8 game beat the SEC title game in viewers? That's just sad. I thought the SEC was a bigger TV draw than that but I guess when nobody outside the South cares about the sport, you get these type of numbers.

Plus we're not even mentioning the fact that there was a HUGE jump in viewers because Notre Dame played in the Championship game.

This means you get Chicago and New York plus all the other big Northeast cities when usually college football is toiling away trying to convince everyone that Birmingham is a bustling metropolis.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I'm still waiting, troll. Get back on here and prove your claim, or else admit you were lying.

I'm right here you dried up nipple.

I will admit I might have gotten that statement wrong. I searched a couple of Beaker threads where the convo was going on. The closest I could find was you calling Hamas a moron for suggesting Kansas should have been a 3 seed. Admittedly I didn't go through all the KU threads, but I'll concede. It's not like you were AGAINST the idea, though, given how you continually vastly overrated KU this year.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by blake5676

Considering there were only two CBB games on that day, one followed directly by the other on the exact same channel, is the tiny difference that surprising to you?

Mizzou played in the SEC championship on the same day as Texas-Baylor, the PAC championship, the B1G championship, and the ACC and MWC championship games. Many overlapping, across 4 different network channels. I don't think it's that surprising at all, actually.

Does it surprise you that the other Elite Eight game on the same day had nowhere near the numbers that the second one did? Or that the two other EE games the previous day were also much lower?

Btw, KU's biggest television draw for the entire season was 2.98 million, when they played another "blue blood" in Duke. That works out to almost FIVE times as many people watching the Mizzou regular season game when compared to Kansas I believe. Weird

Perhaps college football should consider spreading out their games better so they could equal College Basketball's viewership numbers and ad dollars.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I'm right here you dried up nipple.

I will admit I might have gotten that statement wrong. I searched a couple of Beaker threads where the convo was going on. The closest I could find was you calling Hamas a moron for suggesting Kansas should have been a 3 seed. Admittedly I didn't go through all the KU threads, but I'll concede. It's not like you were AGAINST the idea, though, given how you continually vastly overrated KU this year.

Thanks. That's all I was looking for. You're a stand up guy, no matter what others may say about you.

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Plus we're not even mentioning the fact that there was a HUGE jump in viewers because Notre Dame played in the Championship game.

This means you get Chicago and New York plus all the other big Northeast cities when usually college football is toiling away trying to convince everyone that Birmingham is a bustling metropolis.

I don't even know what that means or what you're trying to say? Do you?

I don't think anyone has ever tried to argue that March Madness is a bad draw or not popular. It's an incredibly well put together tournament that brings in millions of viewers and TONS of money. That being said, hoops still doesn't trump college football...in viewership, money, relevance, popularity, etc.

Regular season college basketball is even worse. Roughly 80% of all televised games drew between a 0.0 and 0.4 TV rating. Do you know what that equals out to? About 550,000 viewers. On the absolute high end. That's pathetic and there's basically nothing else that needs to be said about the relevance of the CBB regular season. NO ONE CARES.

Just for fun, let's continue though: Of all televised regular season CBB games in the entire 2013-14 season, exactly NINE came in at a 2.0 or higher. NINE. College football knocked out 7 games above 2.0 on a single regular season Saturday, and on average has 4-5/week.

Since basketball is the holy grail at your beloved KU, lets see how many people outside of Lawrence/KC tuned in to watch...
KU-Duke: 2.1 this is the ONE game that was a "decent" national draw
KU-KSU: neither rivalry game against Kstate could even crack 1.0
KU-Florida: 0.9 which most would consider a prime game
KU @ Iowa St 1.1, Iowa St @ KU was a piss poor 0.3 (411k watched this game against ranked opponents!)

Hell, more people watched Mizzou-Alabama bball game than the KU-Texas game on the same day this February. Again I realize the point of this post is not to bag on KU and mainly to show needle dick how irrelevant his favorite sport is, but this is the shit talk thread afterall.

Back to the point. Can you not see all this proof? Nobody cares about CBB until the 3rd weekend in March. The absolute highest rated regular season game in all of college basketball this year was Duke vs Syracuse that registered a whopping 2.9 rating. Texas A&M against RICE did that in week 1 on the college football season! Cant argue facts.

If you have any evidence contradicting this or that shows I'm wrong, please add it to this discussion.

[Prison Bitch]

You really didn't address many of the arguments that have been made. I don't recall anyone saying regular season basketball games on Tuesday nights are going to draw what football games on Saturdays will. Seems like a strawman argument.


What is being argued: college football's title game (and BCS games to boot) draw what the hoops title game and Final Four draw. That says a lot. 35 million people attended D1 football games and the same number went to D1 basketball games. Yes there are many more of them but the fact remains people don't just watch basketball, they attend the games too.

It's pure nonsense to say nobody cares about the sport until the tournament. If that were the case nobody would even watch the tournament because there would be zero context. Zero familiarity. Nobody would fill out brackets if they didn't intuitively know - or had seen - why Florida is a better selection than Memphis. All other NCAA sports have tournaments too and there is zero interest in them.


We have also pointed out several times that the ratings for football are a piss in the wind compared to the NFL. So while football is the most popular sport, it's only the NFL version. The year end big games in college draw what the NBA and college hoops draw, miles behind the NFL. What is it about the college version that drives people away?


We've also mentioned that the ratings themselves are extremely concentrated in 1 quadrant of the country. When you cite "relevance" and "popularity", it is critical to couch that in terms of 1 area. The other 3 sections of the country find it neither relevant or popular.


Finally, if anyone really spent any time watching Alabama play Mizzou in basketball, may god have mercy on their souls. I will pray for them.

[Perineum Ripper]

I didn't watch basketball at all this season till the tournament and I filled out a bracket..I do it every year that way..I watch football all season long..multiple games everyday

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Blake just brought it folks. Impressive!!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by mac459

I didn't watch basketball at all this season till the tournament and I filled out a bracket..I do it every year that way..I watch football all season long..multiple games everyday

You and 99 percent of the country. The verdict is in and football runs the show in college sports. Tens of millions agree.

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You really didn't address many of the arguments that have been made. I don't recall anyone saying regular season basketball games on Tuesday nights are going to draw what football games on Saturdays will. Seems like a strawman argument.

I'm not saying they should. But if a game had meaning, and was against historically good schools that were both currently ranked, I would think if people cared that more than 1 million would tune in, no?

What is being argued: college football's title game (and BCS games to boot) draw what the hoops title game and Final Four draw. That says a lot.

What does that say? I would hope it draws similar. It's the biggest event in the #1 and #2 sports at the college level. That being said, there is a finite interest in every sport. Some people watch and some just don't. Neither are on par with the NFL.

It's pure nonsense to say nobody cares about the sport until the tournament. If that were the case nobody would even watch the tournament because there would be zero context.

It ISN'T pure nonsense because the numbers prove it's true. Did you miss where only NINE out of 942 CBB games got higher than a 2.0 rating? Or that 770 of those games had 0.5 (about 600k viewers) or lower? Or how about the conference championship games in basketball, which had the six major conferences come in with a COMBINED 8.9 rating when you added them all up? Those were spread out over a Saturday and Sunday, none overlapping, on major networks. The SEC title football game did that by itself. More than the equivalent basketball game for the Big 12, PAC, ACC, SEC, B1G and Big East ALTOGETHER. So again, nobody cares about the sport until March.

We have also pointed out several times that the ratings for football are a piss in the wind compared to the NFL. So while football is the most popular sport, it's only the NFL version. The year end big games in college draw what the NBA and college hoops draw, miles behind the NFL. What is it about the college version that drives people away?

Relevance?

We've also mentioned that the ratings themselves are extremely concentrated in 1 quadrant of the country. When you cite "relevance" and "popularity", it is critical to couch that in terms of 1 area. The other 3 sections of the country find it neither relevant or popular.

You'll have to forgive me...I haven't seen any evidence that shows this. But wouldn't that make sense, considering it's the best conference with the best players? It may be concentrated more in the south, but don't fool yourself that other areas don't care.

Exactly what part (14M) of the country would you guess was watching the Ohio St-Michigan St regular season game? Obviously not the same part (1.3M) that watched KU-KSU in basketball on a Saturday???

Finally, if anyone really spent any time watching Alabama play Mizzou in basketball, may god have mercy on their souls. I will pray for them.

This....I will concede to you. Could not possibly agree any more.