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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

Frosty · 11-29-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ragedogg69

Cowboys vs Aliens and Prometheus

Meh. I liked both movies. They aren't "the greatest movies ever" or anything but they are reasonable popcorn movies.

I'm usually a sucker for these kind of shows but only made it halfway through Season 3 of "Lost". Watching that show was like having a hot chick whisper in your ear about all of the great things she was going to do with you and then having her go shopping with your mother. It gets you all hot and bothered with no payoff.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-29-2012, 02:47 PM

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I dont disagree, but I would punch him for Cowboys vs Aliens and Prometheus than Lost. It seems he has epic ideas, but cannot bring them to any logical substance.

I won't see either of those movies because of him but I've heard both suck anyway.

But at least that's only about 4 hours of your life, whereas LOST was 6 years, 125 episodes or so AND I spent money on DVD seasons 1 through 4.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-29-2012, 02:48 PM

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I won't see either of those movies because of him but I've heard both suck anyway.

But at least that's only about 4 hours of your life, whereas LOST was 6 years, 125 episodes or so AND I spent money on DVD seasons 1 through 4.

Prometheus wasn't bad.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-29-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

That's alright. We can't all agree on everything. At least you gave the thing a shot. And I'm sorry you hated it so much.

Believe me, I wish everyone could love the thing as much as I do.

I hated it because the final season was ****ing bullshit. No answers about the mysteries of the island, a goofy ending scene with various religious symbols and other useless horseshit.

They ****ing blew it. And Orci & Kurtzman have completely destroyed the ending to Fringe as well. It should have just ended when Bell disappeared at the end of the last season and not gone all "future" with it.

I'm going to be livid if they **** up the next Star Trek movies, although since I'm already anticipating a disaster, it'll make it easier to deal with.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-29-2012, 02:54 PM

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Prometheus wasn't bad.

I've read the script and it's typical, ridiculous, open-ended, Lindelof nonsense. I have friends I trust that have seen it and said it was an epic disaster.

I'll watch it once it shows up on the premium channels but I'm not expecting much.

I'm glad to hear you halfway enjoyed it.

Red Brooklyn · 11-29-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I hated it because the final season was ****ing bullshit. No answers about the mysteries of the island, a goofy ending scene with various religious symbols and other useless horseshit.

I guess I get that. A lot of people feel the same way, obviously. But I'm of the mind that the ending doesn't have to detract from the journey. And it was an amazing journey. At least, it was for me.

But I'd also argue that they answered everything they needed to answer. Whether or not one liked the answers is a different story all together. But I'd argue the answers are there.

The very ending (the reveal in the flash-sideways) was a little weird. But I didn't hate it. And the more I've thought about it/rewatched it, the more it's grown on me. It certainly wasn't what I was expecting or what I would have done, but I didn't hate it.

Everything else in the series, everything else about the ending, I thought, was just fantastic. Great entertainment. Thought provoking. Brilliant character studies. Topical. Philosophical without being too flimsy or talking down to the audience.

ragedogg69 · 11-29-2012, 04:37 PM

I will defend Lost in its ability to make character development compelling. I never expected to be so involved with the antisocial Korean couple the beginning of the series. Thats great writing.

However, they also made Kate absolutely awful by the end of the series.

Had they come out around season 2 or 3 and immediately said, they will leave some things on the island a mystery, people would not have been so pissed.

That quote at the end of the granland piece is telling. People were pissed at the hatch cliffhanger. How could they not see a problem with ending the series with no payoff?

**Buck** · 11-29-2012, 05:05 PM

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And I feel the exact opposite (still!).

What an epic ****ing waste of time.

If given the chance, I'd punch Lindelof in the ovaries.

Ever read The Stand?

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the novel if you have.

Red Brooklyn · 11-29-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ragedogg69

I will defend Lost in its ability to make character development compelling. I never expected to be so involved with the antisocial Korean couple the beginning of the series. Thats great writing.

However, they also made Kate absolutely awful by the end of the series.

Had they come out around season 2 or 3 and immediately said, they will leave some things on the island a mystery, people would not have been so pissed.

That quote at the end of the granland piece is telling. People were pissed at the hatch cliffhanger. How could they not see a problem with ending the series with no payoff?

Again, I suppose it depends on how you're defining "payoff." Because the show does end. The mysteries do get answered. There is a payoff in that sense.

Whether or not it was satisfying is a matter for each individual viewer. But I wouldn't say they ended "the series with no payoff."

And, I think, it's irrational and a little absurd that anyone got angry at a television show for ending it's first season on a cliffhanger like that. I thought it was brilliant in every way. Like Lindelof said, I suppose I can understand a level of disappointment, but anger?

I think that says a lot more about the viewers than it does about the show.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-29-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

Ever read The Stand?

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the novel if you have.

I never read it, but the mini-series was a snoozefest.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-29-2012, 07:32 PM

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I hated it because the final season was ****ing bullshit. No answers about the mysteries of the island, a goofy ending scene with various religious symbols and other useless horseshit.

****ing this! They didn't explain shit.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-29-2012, 10:10 PM

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Again, I suppose it depends on how you're defining "payoff." Because the show does end. The mysteries do get answered. There is a payoff in that sense.

No, they do not.

Who was Jacob? Who was his brother? How old were they? How long had they been on the island? Why were there Egyptian symbols and statues everywhere? Why were the "Losties" brought to the island? How could the island move through time? How did Penelope's father know how to travel back and forth?

What happened to Sun & Jin's baby? Why was Walt "special"? What happened to Michael? JFC, I could go on and on and on.

I fully believe the Island was meant to be a metaphor for "Purgatory" but since Howard Stern and many other people immediately said it was purgatory, ABC quickly denied that fact. Then, they had to come up with other bullshit, which they failed to explain.

The producers THEN said that Season SIX was purgatory, which is horseshit.

They may have done a great job with the characters and their backstories but they did a ****ing horrific job of explaining WHY they were all on the island and WHAT the Island had to do with their lives and the lives of others.

Plus, why wasn't the island, or at least life on the island, completely devastated when the nuclear warhead was detonated? That was just plain silly.

patteeu · 11-29-2012, 10:26 PM

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No, they do not.

Who was Jacob? Who was his brother? How old were they? How long had they been on the island? Why were there Egyptian symbols and statues everywhere? Why were the "Losties" brought to the island? How could the island move through time? How did Penelope's father know how to travel back and forth?

What happened to Sun & Jin's baby? Why was Walt "special"? What happened to Michael? JFC, I could go on and on and on.

I fully believe the Island was meant to be a metaphor for "Purgatory" but since Howard Stern and many other people immediately said it was purgatory, ABC quickly denied that fact. Then, they had to come up with other bullshit, which they failed to explain.

The producers THEN said that Season SIX was purgatory, which is horseshit.

They may have done a great job with the characters and their backstories but they did a ****ing horrific job of explaining WHY they were all on the island and WHAT the Island had to do with their lives and the lives of others.

Plus, why wasn't the island, or at least life on the island, completely devastated when the nuclear warhead was detonated? That was just plain silly.

Yeah, it was a pretty great show up until the point where we learned that we were being cheated by a story with no payoff for so many of the things that kept us tuned in.

**Buck** · 11-29-2012, 10:27 PM

To say there was no payoff is ridiculous.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-29-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

To say there was no payoff is ridiculous.

What was the payoff?

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