Chiefs Top DC Candidate - Page 20

**The Bad Guy** · 01-07-2013, 08:55 AM

As I mentioned on this site days before any media last week, the top DC candidate for the Chiefs is going to be Monte Kiffin. He would also bring Rod Marinelli as his line coach.

I've been told it's his job to turn down and they think he wants it.

I think Kiffin has evolved some and doesn't run a straight Tampa 2 anymore, but and the personnel is an interesting fit.

Dorsey would be in huge consideration to be re-signed.

Hali, Dorsey, Poe, ?

Houston, ?, DJ - I think DJ would slide into the Derrick Brooks role.

I hated the hire at first, but I'm not completely against it now. I hate the Tampa 2 defense, but I think Kiffin recognizes he can't run that solely with the offenses of today.

Will be interesting. Just thought I'd share.

Priest31kc · 01-07-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Locker sucks and Ponder was called the worst QB in the NFL by Jimmy Johnson. Bradford certainly hasn't been "special".

Thats my point.

Sanchez, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder & Bradford were all taken in the Top 12.

Geno, Wilson, Bray & Barkley are just as good as them, if not better, which is why I'm not understanding why this class is getting shit on by everyone.

The Jets, Jags, Titans, Vikings & Rams didnt have a QB, so they took the best one available to them. They actually tried.

Doesn't look like its going to work out for most of them, but they tried and they'll try again until they get their guy.

We have yet to try. FOR 30 YEARS.

**DeezNutz** · 01-07-2013, 07:52 PM

This argument is completely stupid because there isn't another player that demands the selection. If Megatron were in this draft, I would understand the push to select him. That would actually be a pretty interesting predicament.

But he's not. And the new CBA mitigates any risk involved in taking anyone, regardless of position.

I'd draft a QB at 1/1 and play him immediately. If he doesn't at least flash, I would have zero reservations about drafting another QB in the very next draft.

Ultimately, if you don't have a QB, you simply cannot win a SB in this league, and I'm tired of knowing that the season is lost before it even begins.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc

Thats my point.

Sanchez, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder & Bradford were all taken in the Top 12.

Geno, Wilson, Bray & Barkley are just as good as them, if not better, which is why I'm not understanding why this class is getting shit on by everyone.

They're getting "shit on" because, at this point in time, none of those players listed deserved to be first rounders.

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc

The Jets, Jags, Titans, Vikings & Rams didnt have a QB, so they took the best one available to them. They actually tried.

So what?

This franchise shouldn't draft a guy, just to draft a guy, and further waste the careers of guys like Hali, Charles, Bowe, Johnson, etc.

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc

We have yet to try. FOR 30 YEARS.

Dumb. I don't give a **** what the Talking Can says, it's ****ing DUMB to draft a QB that's unworthy of the #1 overall selection, just because it hasn't been done in 30 years.

DUMB, DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

**RealSNR** · 01-07-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Ok this is complete bullshit. Joeckel and Lewan aren't worth a top 3 pick (IMHO) but they are NOT slapdicks. That's just dumb. Hell, Lewan held up fantastically versus Clowney... not exactly something a "slapdick" should be able to say.

I do however agree that I'd rather risk it on a QB IF our coaches/scouts think one has the upside. I'm sure after the combine this talk will all be moot.

Joe Thomas was worth the #1 overall pick. That's what I'm talking about.

The Chiefs have the #1 overall pick. If it matters to people that the QBs aren't worth it at that position, it should matter just as much that the LTs aren't worth it.

As far as the Chiefs are concerned, Joeckel and your boy Lewan may as well be slapdicks. They're utter ****ing wastes of a pick.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many did they win before that?

Drafting Akili Smith wasn't a "franchise killer" in any way, shape, or form.

You're right: Their franchise had been dead for the better part of the decade by that point.

Look, I'm not stating that Chiefs shouldn't take a QB with the #1 overall selection.

I'm saying that they shouldn't take a QB with the #1 overall selection, just to take a QB.

JFC, is that so difficult to understand?

**DeezNutz** · 01-07-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This franchise shouldn't draft a guy, just to draft a guy, and further waste the careers of guys like Hali, Charles, Bowe, Johnson, etc.

Acquiring a QB through FA pretty much makes a certainty that you're wasting time. However, we don't know what the outcome will be if we draft a QB; the ceiling is exponentially higher.

**RealSNR** · 01-07-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dumb. I don't give a **** what the Talking Can says, it's ****ing DUMB to draft a QB that's unworthy of the #1 overall selection, just because it hasn't been done in 30 years.

DUMB, DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

Show me the alternative, dude. Show me the Megatron. Show me the Von Miller. Where is he?

The answer is HE'S NOT IN THIS DRAFT.

There ARE, however, some QBs that at least have a shot at turning this franchise around.

That's who you take. The guy who might save your franchise.

None of these pass rushers will save a franchise.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Acquiring a QB through FA pretty much makes a certainty that you're wasting time. However, we don't know what the outcome will be if we draft a QB; the ceiling is exponentially higher.

And it's also exponentially lower.

If you could have signed a guy that could lead you to playoffs, yet you drafted a piece of shit, you've further closed the window on your existing players.

Again, I'm good with however Andy Reid decides to move forward but if it's free agency or a trade back or a second rounder or even a first rounder in 2013, I'm not going shit myself.

And it seems like 75% of this forum will shit themselves if the selection is anyone other than Geno Smith.

htismaqe · 01-07-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're right: Their franchise had been dead for the better part of the decade by that point.

Look, I'm not stating that Chiefs shouldn't take a QB with the #1 overall selection.

I'm saying that they shouldn't take a QB with the #1 overall selection, just to take a QB.

JFC, is that so difficult to understand?

It's not difficult to comprehend, but it's absolutely difficult to understand.

What is the ONE METHOD the Chiefs haven't used to acquire a QB in the last 20 years? And how many playoff games have they won in that span?

It's time for a different approach. We have the #1 pick in the draft. We likely won't EVER have this opportunity again.

Identify the best QB in this draft and take him. Period.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Show me the alternative, dude. Show me the Megatron. Show me the Von Miller. Where is he?

The answer is HE'S NOT IN THIS DRAFT.

There ARE, however, some QBs that at least have a shot at turning this franchise around.

That's who you take. The guy who might save your franchise.

None of these pass rushers will save a franchise.

This is why I HATE discussing QB's before The Combines: People are ****ing irrational.

This shit is becoming just as annoying as the Stanzi lovers.

**BigRedChief** · 01-07-2013, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Acquiring a QB through FA pretty much makes a certainty that you're wasting time. However, we don't know what the outcome will be if we draft a QB; the ceiling is exponentially higher.

As far as I'm concerned........ Draft two QB's, get another in FA, bring in a vet QB and bring in another undrafted QB. Let the best one play.

**DeezNutz** · 01-07-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And it's also exponentially lower.

If you could have signed a guy that could lead you to playoffs, yet you drafted a piece of shit, you've further closed the window on your existing players.

Again, I'm good with however Andy Reid decides to move forward but if it's free agency or a trade back or a second rounder or even a first rounder in 2013, I'm not going shit myself.

And it seems like 75% of this forum will shit themselves if the selection is anyone other than Geno Smith.

My problem with trying to wait until the second is that you then have to be prepared to move up if QBs start coming off the board you believe someone else is targeting your guy.

I will flip my ****ing shit if we surrender next year's 1 or 2 to move back into the first to draft a guy we should have selected at 1/1.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not difficult to comprehend, but it's absolutely difficult to understand.

What is the ONE METHOD the Chiefs haven't used to acquire a QB in the last 20 years? And how many playoff games have they won in that span?

It's time for a different approach. We have the #1 pick in the draft. We likely won't EVER have this opportunity again.

Identify the best QB in this draft and take him. Period.

I don't really care. All I know is that the Chiefs would be absolutely foolish to draft a QB, just to draft a QB. They've been doing that same thing with defensive lineman for ****ing years and it's gotten them absolutely nothing.

**RealSNR** · 01-07-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is why I HATE discussing QB's before The Combines: People are ****ing irrational.

This shit is becoming just as annoying as the Stanzi lovers.

I'm not talking about QBs. I'm talking about every single non-QB in this draft.

I don't need the combine to tell you what a non-QB #1 overall pick looks like

**DeezNutz** · 01-07-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As far as I'm concerned........ Draft two QB's, get another in FA, bring in a vet QB and bring in another undrafted QB. Let the best one play.

I do believe we need to throw numbers at the situation, and we have the cap room to do everything you suggest above, including that vet. being a realistic option.

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