Discussing the 1st rd: why Dee Ford was the best option

RunKC · 05-11-2014, 03:08 PM

And here is why. Just rumblings from what we have heard.

Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State-Nice product, but not better than what Dee Ford could bring.
Dennard is slow and he has short arms. He ran a 4.51 at the combine, which is not what we need. Take a look at Sean Smith and Brandon Flowers. They both ran in that 4.5 range and look at what happened to them. Remember Jacoby Ford owning Flowers a few years ago due to speed? Remember Eric Decker owning Flowers deep at Arrowhead? Remember DeAndre Hopkins owning Sean Smith at Arrowhead on that deep TD?

That's speed. It's not hard to see. Phillip Gaines has all the physical aspects, along with good production. Tackling is not a huge problem IMO. It can be taught, which he's in a great position to learn as the #4 CB for this year.
What can't be taught is....speed.

Marqise Lee WR USC-This guys hands have started to get bad. Real bad. 12% drop rate? I think people are already pissed off enough seeing Donnie Avery drop passes.
As far as pure playmaking ability, do you see Lee as a better playmaker than De'Anthony Thomas? I don't think so. I think they at the least very close, but Thomas has more speed and range due to ST's. He's way better there.

I can totally see why they passed.

Xavier Su'a-Filo G UCLA-Do we even need to talk about this? Was this not the one pick nobody wanted to see? He could have started day 1, which I admit would have been nice.
This could be a testament to how Reid feels about Rishaw Johnson. Why should we not trust Reid and Dorsey here? Schwartz was a great pickup, Parker was, Cooper was, Abdullah was, McGrath was. Did they not earn your trust for a guy like Rishaw Johnson, who coincidentally looked very good in SD?

I do like the Zach Fulton pick later. He's experienced and needs a little work, but in a year or two I feel he's starting over Jeff Allen.

Derek Carr QB Fresno State-I can't get over how pathetic this guys feet are and how awful he was when pressured. He gets scared. He panics. We're going to kick his ass with our pass rush. Did I mention he made a ton of WTF throws?
Alex Smith is the QB for the next 3 years at the very least.

As for Johnny Football,I would have loved him on this team. I'd take him over Dee Ford every day. But Alex Smith is their guy. If they really wanted him they would have got him. Moving up 1 pick would not have cost much.

Jason Verrett CB TCU-He's got playmaking ability, but he is definitely short which is a no-no for Dorsey.
Keep in mind that everybody is copying Seattle's draft strategy of bigger, longer corners except for 2 teams: the Chiefs and Packers. Why? Because they all came from Green Bay.

Jimmie Ward S NIU-The one guy I think we could have taken over Ford who was picked after us. Love what he does, but let's consider something here.

This pass rush is going to be elite next year IMO. That's going to help our DB's out drastically. Also, do we have Jimmie Ward already? Commings was a very good DB in college, but didn't have the footwork to play CB, which makes him excellent at Safety.
He's faster than Ward and just as physical with a long, big body frame (sound familiar?). I can see why they passed. They love what Commings can bring.

Bottomline:I think people love the energy and personality Dee Ford will bring. They like his confidence and swagger as well. This team needs that.

His first step is very "DT-esque". It's fast, just like Von Miller as well. He's got the production. He played fantastic ball against the best teams in the biggest moments.

This move makes so much sense in so many ways. I love Tamba. He's going to be one of my favorite Chiefs defenders of all-time, but let's look at reality. He's 31 this year. Next offseason we gain $9 million dollars by cutting him.
This is what teams like the Steelers do. They realize when their good players are nearing the end and they draft their replacements.

Tamba is going to start slowly declining in 2015 when he's 32. He might get some sacks, but you'll be able to tell. He definitely got tired the last half of the season.

This defense, and pass rush specifically, might be the best we've ever seen as fans next year. The overall amount of capable pass rushers could be better than the 90's, and that says a lot.
I can't wait to see what Dee Ford will do. I don't think 6 or 7 sacks is that big of a stretch considering we're going to play the nickel a ton of the time.

Saccopoo · 05-11-2014, 04:10 PM

jd1020 · 05-11-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Xavier Su'a-Filo G UCLA-Do we even need to talk about this? Was this not the one pick nobody wanted to see?

Nope.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

1. Dee Ford, DE; Auburn
6'2"
252 lbs.
32 7/8" Arms
10 1/4" Hands

- Productive when he plays, but he's never finished a full season at the college level including a back injury in 2011. (Remember he wasn't medically cleared to participate in the Combine because of it.) Competitive on the field, with a good initial burst. However, he's not instinctive and doesn't make a lot of impact plays past the sack; e.g., doesn't make a lot of tackles for loss, forced fumbles, etc. Considering that guys like Jackson Jeffcoat and James Gayle were UDFA's, I think that they paid a steep price for a guy who is going to require coaching and time to go along with the historical injury concerns.

Who should have been the pick: Xavier S'ua-Filo, OL; UCLA

They took an OG later in the draft but nearly everyone considered S'ua-Filo to be the best at that position. He would have been an immediate starter and provided high level performance from the very first snap.

milkman · 05-11-2014, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Nope.

I'm pretty sure ****ing idiots count as nobody.

RunKC · 05-11-2014, 04:53 PM

I'm gonna trust Andy and Dorsey over Sac here. Especially looking back on the complete ownage that was had on the Alex Smith vs Geno Smith footage from last season.

**Bowser** · 05-11-2014, 06:52 PM

Yes, let's let an explosive pass rusher fall past us in the draft to pick up a guard. Makes perfect sense.

kccrow · 05-12-2014, 03:44 PM

Just curious about those that are gleeful over the Dee Ford pick, did you watch Carl Bradford, Jeremiah Attaochu, Demarcus Lawrence, Marcus Smith, Chris Smith, Kyle Van Noy, Trevor Reilly, etc? Every last one of them were taken after KC's pick. Every one of them are equally adept pass rushers, but better run defenders.

milkman · 05-12-2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Just curious about those that are gleeful over the Dee Ford pick, did you watch Carl Bradford, Jeremiah Attaochu, Demarcus Lawrence, Marcus Smith, Chris Smith, Kyle Van Noy, Trevor Reilly, etc? Every last one of them were taken after KC's pick. Every one of them are equally adept pass rushers, but better run defenders.

Van Noy would have been the nearly perfect complement to DJ on the inside in the base 34, and that extra pass rusher in subs.

kccrow · 05-12-2014, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Van Noy would have been the nearly perfect complement to DJ on the inside in the base 34, and that extra pass rusher in subs.

I won't lie, I was pretty high on Van Noy, I just didn't want Sac to know it.

He would have been a perfect LB to take. I'm a fan of linebackers that can cover and do multiple things. Van Noy can. I'm not sure what this turd Ford can do aside from get effort sacks at the college level (that was the knock on Michael Sam...)

**RealSNR** · 05-12-2014, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Just curious about those that are gleeful over the Dee Ford pick, did you watch Carl Bradford, Jeremiah Attaochu, Demarcus Lawrence, Marcus Smith, Chris Smith, Kyle Van Noy, Trevor Reilly, etc? Every last one of them were taken after KC's pick. Every one of them are equally adept pass rushers, but better run defenders.

Attaochu and Lawrence maybe.

Everyone else, not even ****ing close.

Chris Smith? Gar-bahge.

kccrow · 05-12-2014, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Attaochu and Lawrence maybe.

Everyone else, not even ****ing close.

Chris Smith? Gar-bahge.

I'll put a Dee Ford pic in my sig for all of next offseason if he has more sacks than any of Attaochu, Lawrence, Bradford, or Marcus Smith. Deal?

Halfcan · 05-12-2014, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I'll put a Dee Ford pic in my sig for all of next offseason if he has more sacks than any of Attaochu, Lawrence, Bradford, or Marcus Smith. Deal?

I am getting the feeling you are less than happy about the D. Ford pick?

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I'll put a Dee Ford pic in my sig for all of next offseason if he has more sacks than any of Attaochu, Lawrence, Bradford, or Marcus Smith. Deal?

Should take that deal SNR.

**RealSNR** · 05-12-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I'll put a Dee Ford pic in my sig for all of next offseason if he has more sacks than any of Attaochu, Lawrence, Bradford, or Marcus Smith. Deal?

Absolutely. I probably won't remember this post next January if you're wrong, but nevertheless I'll accept the terms.

You're the first person I've encountered who believes the Eagles acquired the better pass rusher in Marcus Smith.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 05-12-2014, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Just curious about those that are gleeful over the Dee Ford pick, did you watch Carl Bradford, Jeremiah Attaochu, Demarcus Lawrence, Marcus Smith, Chris Smith, Kyle Van Noy, Trevor Reilly, etc? Every last one of them were taken after KC's pick. Every one of them are equally adept pass rushers, but better run defenders.

CP / Way smarter than Dorsey / Reid

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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2279611	Discussing the 1st rd: why Dee Ford was the best option And here is why. Just rumblings from what we have heard. Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State-Nice product, but not better than what Dee Ford could bring. Dennard is slow and he has short arms. He ran a 4.51 at the combine, which is not what we need. Take a look at Sean Smith and Brandon Flowers. They both ran in that 4.5 range and look at what happened to them. Remember Jacoby Ford owning Flowers a few years ago due to speed? Remember Eric Decker owning Flowers deep at Arrowhead? Remember DeAndre Hopkins owning Sean Smith at Arrowhead on that deep TD? That's speed. It's not hard to see. Phillip Gaines has all the physical aspects, along with good production. Tackling is not a huge problem IMO. It can be taught, which he's in a great position to learn as the #4 CB for this year. What can't be taught is....speed. Marqise Lee WR USC-This guys hands have started to get bad. Real bad. 12% drop rate? I think people are already pissed off enough seeing Donnie Avery drop passes. As far as pure playmaking ability, do you see Lee as a better playmaker than De'Anthony Thomas? I don't think so. I think they at the least very close, but Thomas has more speed and range due to ST's. He's way better there. I can totally see why they passed. Xavier Su'a-Filo G UCLA-Do we even need to talk about this? Was this not the one pick nobody wanted to see? He could have started day 1, which I admit would have been nice. This could be a testament to how Reid feels about Rishaw Johnson. Why should we not trust Reid and Dorsey here? Schwartz was a great pickup, Parker was, Cooper was, Abdullah was, McGrath was. Did they not earn your trust for a guy like Rishaw Johnson, who coincidentally looked very good in SD? I do like the Zach Fulton pick later. He's experienced and needs a little work, but in a year or two I feel he's starting over Jeff Allen. Derek Carr QB Fresno State-I can't get over how pathetic this guys feet are and how awful he was when pressured. He gets scared. He panics. We're going to kick his ass with our pass rush. Did I mention he made a ton of WTF throws? Alex Smith is the QB for the next 3 years at the very least. As for Johnny Football,I would have loved him on this team. I'd take him over Dee Ford every day. But Alex Smith is their guy. If they really wanted him they would have got him. Moving up 1 pick would not have cost much. Jason Verrett CB TCU-He's got playmaking ability, but he is definitely short which is a no-no for Dorsey. Keep in mind that everybody is copying Seattle's draft strategy of bigger, longer corners except for 2 teams: the Chiefs and Packers. Why? Because they all came from Green Bay. Jimmie Ward S NIU-The one guy I think we could have taken over Ford who was picked after us. Love what he does, but let's consider something here. This pass rush is going to be elite next year IMO. That's going to help our DB's out drastically. Also, do we have Jimmie Ward already? Commings was a very good DB in college, but didn't have the footwork to play CB, which makes him excellent at Safety. He's faster than Ward and just as physical with a long, big body frame (sound familiar?). I can see why they passed. They love what Commings can bring. Bottomline:I think people love the energy and personality Dee Ford will bring. They like his confidence and swagger as well. This team needs that. His first step is very "DT-esque". It's fast, just like Von Miller as well. He's got the production. He played fantastic ball against the best teams in the biggest moments. This move makes so much sense in so many ways. I love Tamba. He's going to be one of my favorite Chiefs defenders of all-time, but let's look at reality. He's 31 this year. Next offseason we gain $9 million dollars by cutting him. This is what teams like the Steelers do. They realize when their good players are nearing the end and they draft their replacements. Tamba is going to start slowly declining in 2015 when he's 32. He might get some sacks, but you'll be able to tell. He definitely got tired the last half of the season. This defense, and pass rush specifically, might be the best we've ever seen as fans next year. The overall amount of capable pass rushers could be better than the 90's, and that says a lot. I can't wait to see what Dee Ford will do. I don't think 6 or 7 sacks is that big of a stretch considering we're going to play the nickel a ton of the time.
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