Chiefs Quinn QBotF - Page 25

Mr_Tomahawk · 05-24-2012, 09:03 PM

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Watching the quarterbacks
Among the 3 quarterbacks on the roster, the guy who threw the ball best on Thursday was Brady Quinn. He appears to have solid mechanics in his drop and has smoothed out some rough edges that were visible in his motion going back to Notre Dame. Matt Cassel threw several nice passes, but he was high on his throws during much of the session. Ricky Stanzi was OK.

@Iowa homers.

“I think they’re beginning to gain a command of the system and some of the checks that we have in place,” Crennel said. “They’re all doing well. Probably, Brady and Matt are a little ahead of Stanzi right now, but they’re all working at it. They’re a good group in that room, so we feel good about them.”

**The Franchise** · 05-27-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Quotes regarding Quinn in OTA's.

The only positive I've heard of him is:

Funny thing is, this quote is talking solely about the QB's "command" of the offense, how they're doing with the ins and outs of it all. I'd certainly hope Quinn is ahead of Stanzi, he's already played in this offense, for Daboll.

Oh really? How about quotes from Gretz that Quinn was the best of the three QBs at camp?

milkman · 05-27-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Oh really? How about quotes from Gretz that Quinn was the best of the three QBs at camp?

No offense Pest, but one guy says Quinn has been the most impressive, while another guy says that Cassel has been the most impressive.

Clearly there's bias involved in reporting.

**The Franchise** · 05-27-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No offense Pest, but one guy says Quinn has been the most impressive, while another guy says that Cassel has been the most impressive.

Clearly there's bias involved in reporting.

Yeah......my point was exactly that. For one report about Quinn sucking.....there's one praising him. There's no point in using them to back anyone's claims.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-27-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Dude, there was also a MAJOR difference in the amount of time Cassel and Orton had for presnap reads. People may not want to admit it, but Cassel was art a major disadvantage last year. You may not want to admit it, but he should have a chance to play much better this season. It might not be what you want to hear, but it's an honest outlook.

Orton didn't prove shit.

Maybe that was on Cassel.

Orton was only sacked once in 3 games. That proves quite a bit.

Coogs · 05-27-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Dude, there was also a MAJOR difference in the amount of time Cassel and Orton had for presnap reads. People may not want to admit it, but Cassel was art a major disadvantage last year.

I'm not buying this. Hell, Tyler fricking Palko was making presnap reads/adjustments that Cassel doesn't/can't. And he even won a game at Chicago in the same manner that Cassel has to win with... and nearly even beat the Steelers too. More rushing attempts than passing attempts.

DBOSHO · 05-27-2012, 12:06 PM

Orton isnt Elite, but he showed us what our team could be with an above average quarterback. See week 14.

How you dont pay him and keep him here is beyond me.

BoneKrusher · 05-27-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Orton isnt Elite, but he showed us what our team could be with an above average quarterback. See week 14.

How you dont pay him and keep him here is beyond me.

if the truth be known Pioli probably offered him a gig as Cassel's backup and he got offended and walked away, hell i would have as well.

Messier · 05-27-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Orton isnt Elite, but he showed us what our team could be with an above average quarterback. See week 14.

How you dont pay him and keep him here is beyond me.

I know we hate Cassel, and it has made us overvalue other QB's. Orton is not a good QB. He's really very average. Maybe he's a bit better than Cassel, but it's not enough that it really matters. They both should be back ups in the NFL.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-27-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

if the truth be known Pioli probably offered him a gig as Cassel's backup and he got offended and walked away, hell i would have as well.

Orton saw the writing on the wall.

He knew this was Cassel's team and probably wasn't going to be given a fair shot at a starting gig.
So he bolted for Dallas.

BoneKrusher · 05-27-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Orton saw the writing on the wall.

He knew this was Cassel's team and probably wasn't going to be given a fair shot at a starting gig.
So he bolted for Dallas.

yep
he gave us a glimpse of what a QB that can get the ball downfield would do for the Chiefs.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-27-2012, 12:38 PM

I am curious to know why Orton was quick sign with Dallas without visiting any other teams.

BoneKrusher · 05-27-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I am curious to know why Orton was quick sign with Dallas without visiting any other teams.

good question, that was a strange move by him and his agent.

-King- · 05-27-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Orton saw the writing on the wall.

He knew this was Cassel's team and probably wasn't going to be given a fair shot at a starting gig.
So he bolted for Dallas.

Because he would get a fair shot in Dallas

I don't know if Orton cared about starting. Clearly here was his best chance at starting. Even if Cassel was named the starter, if he sucked the first few weeks, there would be enormous pressure to start Orton. In Dallas, Romo could go the first 6 weeks 2-4 with 3 TDs and 10 INTs and they likely wouldn't switch.

-King- · 05-27-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Orton isnt Elite, but he showed us what our team could be with an above average quarterback. See week 14.

How you dont pay him and keep him here is beyond me.

He's better than Cassel between the 20s but Cassel is better than him inside the 20s.

aturnis · 05-27-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Maybe that was on Cassel.

Orton was only sacked once in 3 games. That proves quite a bit.

Can you not read?

When Orton came in, Haley had been fired and Crennel allowed Muir to simply call the plays he chose without running them by him first. Orton got to the line with ample time to make pre-snap reads, a luxury not afforded to Cassel often last season. With the information he was able to gather, he could identify favorable matchups, hot routes, blitzes, and call for a change in blocking assignments accordingly. That, in and of itself, would be a huge plus as far as sacks go.

The difference is, even with all the extra info from pre-snap reads, Orton still couldn't punch it into the endzone.

05-24-2012, 09:03 PM
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $3130526	Quinn QBotF Hate on me! http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...a-starter.html Watching the quarterbacks Among the 3 quarterbacks on the roster, the guy who threw the ball best on Thursday was Brady Quinn. He appears to have solid mechanics in his drop and has smoothed out some rough edges that were visible in his motion going back to Notre Dame. Matt Cassel threw several nice passes, but he was high on his throws during much of the session. Ricky Stanzi was OK. @Iowa homers. “I think they’re beginning to gain a command of the system and some of the checks that we have in place,” Crennel said. “They’re all doing well. Probably, Brady and Matt are a little ahead of Stanzi right now, but they’re all working at it. They’re a good group in that room, so we feel good about them.”
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