An amazing website:

Clint in Wichita · 06-14-2001, 03:51 PM

[url]http://www.carmical.net/[/url]

Well, maybe "amazing" isn't the right word...I had to hold my jaw to keep it from hitting the floor as I perused this site. No, not because of the enlightening information it contains, but because it was so ridiculous.

It really is hard to believe that there are people out there whose beliefs line up with this guy's.

06-14-2001, 04:50 PM

Touche'

I visited the site briefly and didn't experience the astoundment you did. I guess you could say my views are aligned with his. Somehow, I don't think you will be too surprised and just posted this to generate some discussion.

Clint in Wichita · 06-14-2001, 05:17 PM

I can understand having a view or two in common with those on the site, but to me it was waaaay over the top.

I'm sure there are just as many far-left sites with equally looney views.

HC_Chief · 06-14-2001, 05:21 PM

Yep - try bartcop.com (chadsux.com)

A DPO resident troll likes to spam that board with sick leftist pictures consisting of W and swastikas.

BIG_DADDY · 06-14-2001, 05:36 PM

HC,

Those are the worst sights I have ever seen.

nick · 06-14-2001, 06:25 PM

Clint,

Hard to believe you think this sight is so bad?

Just curious as to why...

KCTitus · 06-14-2001, 06:29 PM

I read this on the home page:

[i]I am in no way implying that my thoughts are the last word on a subject. These files are merely the result of my study and come from a conservative background. [/i]

yeah, really 'over the top'. I'm waiting for Clint's version of a 'looney left wing' site where the views are over the top. Something tells me there wont be one.

Clint in Wichita · 06-14-2001, 08:02 PM

I haven't bothered to look. I just stumbled onto this site by chance through an e-mail attachment.

I agree that there are more extreme conservative sites like Nazis, the KKK etc., but they strike me as so unintelligent that they're more like a joke to me.

MrBlond · 06-15-2001, 06:28 AM

"On my website, I have tried to present arguments for the unpopular side of the debates. When deciding one's position on these crucial issues, it is important to consider the arguments of the less popular position as well."

"Keep an open mind, and I believe that you will see that the conservative arguments are more logically consistent than their liberal counterparts."

Jawdropping and ridiculous? Not to me.

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Mark M · 06-15-2001, 07:06 AM

While this site is not exactly the far left, it is the opposite of the incredibly right-wing messages on the camical site:

[url]http://members.aol.com/nogodhere/index.html[/url]

This site is about as absurd as the one Clint posted.

And I do find the religous right jaw-dropping ridiculous ... as I do the liberal left. And the argument that the conservative arguments are more consistent and logical doesn't hold any water with me. Both sides make little sense, IMO.

MM
~~Likes to meet in the middle.

MrBlond · 06-15-2001, 07:59 AM

[url]http://www.carmical.net/factsolife.html[/url]

I read his "Facts of Life" piece and dont find it ridiculous or jaw dropping. He doesnt advocate burning at the stake or handling snakes, etc. It is pretty fundamental Christianity. Religous doesnt always equal extremist. I have not studied every story on this website, but the few I have don't seem offensive. You and I may disagree with his position, we may argue that his facts are really just popular opinions, but to dismiss his views out of hand as "absurd", "ridiculous" or "jawdropping" is a pretty closeminded stance. Isn't a basic foundation of liberalism acceptance and open-mindness? Or does that only apply to those in agreement with the liberal mantra? Also, IMO, just because you disagree with both sides doesnt make you open-minded.

Iron Chef · 06-15-2001, 08:01 AM

Clint, How can you suggest that the Nazis, or the KKK are in any way “conservative”? I do consider myself conservative and do not hold any of the views or would group them with conservatives in any way. They are nothing but extremist whackos.

MrBlond · 06-15-2001, 08:02 AM

Iron Chef,

Nazi's were all for gun control. sounds liberal to me.

06-15-2001, 08:12 AM

The confusion, Chef and Blond, comes from the fact that most people look at the political spectrum as a line, with the left being liberal and the right being conservative.

In actuality, it's a circle. The further left or right you get the closer you get to some sick ideal. I mean, look at the ultimate in conservatism or fascism - Nazi Germany. Nazi is actually short for National Socialist. Hitler was the polar opposite of Stalin, from the political point of view, but look at it realistically and you'll see that both of them were totalitarian butchers, taken pretty much from the same cloth.

My college degrees at work. I'm glad they're good for something. :D

Mark M · 06-15-2001, 08:14 AM

MrBlond--
[quote]Also, IMO, just because you disagree with both sides doesnt make you open-minded.[/quote]

I don't know if this was directed at me, but, if it was, I apologize for insinuating that. It is not what I meant. While I do believe that, once you've aligned yourself with one side or the other, there is the possibility that you (generic, not you in particular) have shut out the chance of seeing things without a conservatice/liberal bias, there are, of course, definite exceptions to that rule.

htis--
Very good point. But in many cases there are clear lines of demarcation between the two. Not all, but many.

MM
~~Misunderstood

06-14-2001, 03:51 PM	Topic Starter
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	An amazing website: [url]http://www.carmical.net/[/url] Well, maybe "amazing" isn't the right word...I had to hold my jaw to keep it from hitting the floor as I perused this site. No, not because of the enlightening information it contains, but because it was so ridiculous. It really is hard to believe that there are people out there whose beliefs line up with this guy's.
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06-14-2001, 04:50 PM	#2
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	Touche' I visited the site briefly and didn't experience the astoundment you did. I guess you could say my views are aligned with his. Somehow, I don't think you will be too surprised and just posted this to generate some discussion.
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06-14-2001, 05:17 PM	#3
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I can understand having a view or two in common with those on the site, but to me it was waaaay over the top. I'm sure there are just as many far-left sites with equally looney views.
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06-14-2001, 05:21 PM	#4
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Yep - try bartcop.com (chadsux.com) A DPO resident troll likes to spam that board with sick leftist pictures consisting of W and swastikas. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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06-14-2001, 05:36 PM	#5
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $5108410	HC, Those are the worst sights I have ever seen. __________________ The diabolical genius of Marxism-Socialism is that it provides the emotional and intellectual road map for autocrats to persuade millions of people to support their own enslavement to government. ~Mark Levin April 15, 2019
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06-14-2001, 06:25 PM	#6
nick Rookie Join Date: Jun 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Clint, Hard to believe you think this sight is so bad? Just curious as to why...
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06-14-2001, 06:29 PM	#7
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9902732	I read this on the home page: [i]I am in no way implying that my thoughts are the last word on a subject. These files are merely the result of my study and come from a conservative background. [/i] yeah, really 'over the top'. I'm waiting for Clint's version of a 'looney left wing' site where the views are over the top. Something tells me there wont be one. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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06-14-2001, 08:02 PM	#8
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I haven't bothered to look. I just stumbled onto this site by chance through an e-mail attachment. I agree that there are more extreme conservative sites like Nazis, the KKK etc., but they strike me as so unintelligent that they're more like a joke to me.
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06-15-2001, 06:28 AM	#9
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	"On my website, I have tried to present arguments for the unpopular side of the debates. When deciding one's position on these crucial issues, it is important to consider the arguments of the less popular position as well." "Keep an open mind, and I believe that you will see that the conservative arguments are more logically consistent than their liberal counterparts." Jawdropping and ridiculous? Not to me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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06-15-2001, 07:06 AM	#10
Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	While this site is not exactly the far left, it is the opposite of the incredibly right-wing messages on the camical site: [url]http://members.aol.com/nogodhere/index.html[/url] This site is about as absurd as the one Clint posted. And I do find the religous right jaw-dropping ridiculous ... as I do the liberal left. And the argument that the conservative arguments are more consistent and logical doesn't hold any water with me. Both sides make little sense, IMO. MM ~~Likes to meet in the middle. __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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06-15-2001, 07:59 AM	#11
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	[url]http://www.carmical.net/factsolife.html[/url] I read his "Facts of Life" piece and dont find it ridiculous or jaw dropping. He doesnt advocate burning at the stake or handling snakes, etc. It is pretty fundamental Christianity. Religous doesnt always equal extremist. I have not studied every story on this website, but the few I have don't seem offensive. You and I may disagree with his position, we may argue that his facts are really just popular opinions, but to dismiss his views out of hand as "absurd", "ridiculous" or "jawdropping" is a pretty closeminded stance. Isn't a basic foundation of liberalism acceptance and open-mindness? Or does that only apply to those in agreement with the liberal mantra? Also, IMO, just because you disagree with both sides doesnt make you open-minded. __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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06-15-2001, 08:01 AM	#12
Iron Chef Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $7654981	Clint, How can you suggest that the Nazis, or the KKK are in any way “conservative”? I do consider myself conservative and do not hold any of the views or would group them with conservatives in any way. They are nothing but extremist whackos.
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06-15-2001, 08:02 AM	#13
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	Iron Chef, Nazi's were all for gun control. sounds liberal to me. __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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06-15-2001, 08:12 AM	#14
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	The confusion, Chef and Blond, comes from the fact that most people look at the political spectrum as a line, with the left being liberal and the right being conservative. In actuality, it's a circle. The further left or right you get the closer you get to some sick ideal. I mean, look at the ultimate in conservatism or fascism - Nazi Germany. Nazi is actually short for National Socialist. Hitler was the polar opposite of Stalin, from the political point of view, but look at it realistically and you'll see that both of them were totalitarian butchers, taken pretty much from the same cloth. My college degrees at work. I'm glad they're good for something. :D
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06-15-2001, 08:14 AM	#15
Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	MrBlond-- [quote]Also, IMO, just because you disagree with both sides doesnt make you open-minded.[/quote] I don't know if this was directed at me, but, if it was, I apologize for insinuating that. It is not what I meant. While I do believe that, once you've aligned yourself with one side or the other, there is the possibility that you (generic, not you in particular) have shut out the chance of seeing things without a conservatice/liberal bias, there are, of course, definite exceptions to that rule. htis-- Very good point. But in many cases there are clear lines of demarcation between the two. Not all, but many. MM ~~Misunderstood __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions. Last edited by Mark M; 06-15-2001 at 08:17 AM..
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