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The NFL doesn't think Mahomes is a first rounder.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RLiuNFL/s...draft-and-more

There's the list of the 22 prospects that will attend the draft.

I'm kinda disappointed that if KC selects Mahomes, he won't be able to go on stage and do his thing...Kizer, Watson and Trubiski were all invited.

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Old 04-15-2017, 05:28 PM   #46
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Wait... Mechanics are easy flaws to fix? Is that why Blake Bortles is about to rehire his mechanics coach after 3 years in the league?
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You've already proved you don't know the first thing about biomechanics. His throwing motion is fine. A bit of work on holding the football with 2 hands, dropping back from under center, and preserving himself and hes' good to go.
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Old 04-15-2017, 06:30 PM   #47
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I dunno man...

I have the same feeling about his kid I had about Aaron Rodgers. I really think this kid is going to be great. I haven't said that about a prospect since Rodgers, not even Andrew Luck.

This kid has everything you absolutely cannot teach and his flaws are easy fixes that just require some coaching up. He has the work ethic and the attitude.

I think you're really off base on this one, but that's my opinion.

Perhaps watching Alex Whiff for all these years has made you leery of anyone that throws a football?
Easy fixes?

C'mon crow. His footwork and balance needs a ton of work. Yes he has qualities you cannot teach, but for every big-armed qb that has been inflated for the quality, many more fall apart when they realize the pro game isn't heave-ho. Mahomes is an exciting prospect, but to say he can be pro-ready with easy fixes is a stretch. Whoever drafts him needs to commit to his development and be very patient.
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Old 04-15-2017, 08:06 PM   #48
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Easy fixes?

C'mon crow. His footwork and balance needs a ton of work. Yes he has qualities you cannot teach, but for every big-armed qb that has been inflated for the quality, many more fall apart when they realize the pro game isn't heave-ho. Mahomes is an exciting prospect, but to say he can be pro-ready with easy fixes is a stretch. Whoever drafts him needs to commit to his development and be very patient.
What footwork does he need work on? The only footwork he needs work on is in dropping back from under center. His weight transfer in his throwing motion is more than fine. Kid needs no work there. Don't know what the **** everyone is carrying on about. Kid throws darts anywhere you want em thrown.

You want to know why people think he has "footwork" issues? Because they see him scramble and throw on the run and attribute it to "bad footwork." No, no that's not ****ing bad footwork. If they were talking about making bad decisions trying to throw from awkward angles on the move, then sure, he does it too much. That doesn't mean his footwork is bad. If you told me Mahomes makes bad decisions forcing the ball into tight coverage, I'd say he does it too much. That doesn't make his footwork bad.

It's the goddamn dumb**** Zeirlein that doesn't know a lick of shit about football saying he has bad footwork and people reading it like its the ****ing gospel because they are too lazy to watch it themselves or can't decipher what they are watching anyhow.

This kid needs ZERO "extra" work on his foot plant/weight transfer and follow through in his throwing motion. None. His footwork in his throwing motion is identical to Aaron Rodgers'. I've provided the videos before. He sets quickly and transfers weight from back leg to front.

Footwork. Don't give me this bullshit about footwork, because I know exactly what "footwork" people are talking about and they are dead ****ing wrong. Footwork coming out from under center and through a 3, 5, and 7-step drop? Yes, absolutely he needs work on that (and so does every single ****ing QB coming out of college now). But that isn't what idiots are talking about. They think he throws off his back foot and lofts the ball up there all the time. Completely wrong. He transfers that weight almost every single time.

And to be honest, I don't give a shit if the guy stands on his head and throws a pass so long as it's money. Mahomes is money. Of course, you could continue to cheer for that shitbag Alex Smith, he's a real fine specimen.
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You're really comparing the Jags horrific coaching to ours?
Mechanics are mechanics. They need to be continually worked on for years before they're permanent. At best, they get fixed in two years without him regressing to his old mechanics sometime later. You don't just change habits someone has had for years in just one season, especially when the player is only a backup and doesn't get game time to perfect his mechanics.
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You've already proved you don't know the first thing about biomechanics. His throwing motion is fine. A bit of work on holding the football with 2 hands, dropping back from under center, and preserving himself and hes' good to go.
Yeah I'm the only one talking about how bad his mechanics are. Yep.
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:56 PM   #51
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What footwork does he need work on? The only footwork he needs work on is in dropping back from under center. His weight transfer in his throwing motion is more than fine. Kid needs no work there. Don't know what the **** everyone is carrying on about. Kid throws darts anywhere you want em thrown.

You want to know why people think he has "footwork" issues? Because they see him scramble and throw on the run and attribute it to "bad footwork." No, no that's not ****ing bad footwork. If they were talking about making bad decisions trying to throw from awkward angles on the move, then sure, he does it too much. That doesn't mean his footwork is bad. If you told me Mahomes makes bad decisions forcing the ball into tight coverage, I'd say he does it too much. That doesn't make his footwork bad.

It's the goddamn dumb**** Zeirlein that doesn't know a lick of shit about football saying he has bad footwork and people reading it like its the ****ing gospel because they are too lazy to watch it themselves or can't decipher what they are watching anyhow.

This kid needs ZERO "extra" work on his foot plant/weight transfer and follow through in his throwing motion. None. His footwork in his throwing motion is identical to Aaron Rodgers'. I've provided the videos before. He sets quickly and transfers weight from back leg to front.

Footwork. Don't give me this bullshit about footwork, because I know exactly what "footwork" people are talking about and they are dead ****ing wrong. Footwork coming out from under center and through a 3, 5, and 7-step drop? Yes, absolutely he needs work on that (and so does every single ****ing QB coming out of college now). But that isn't what idiots are talking about. They think he throws off his back foot and lofts the ball up there all the time. Completely wrong. He transfers that weight almost every single time.

And to be honest, I don't give a shit if the guy stands on his head and throws a pass so long as it's money. Mahomes is money. Of course, you could continue to cheer for that shitbag Alex Smith, he's a real fine specimen.
Don't get condescending and pissy. Nobody is pimping Smith in here so that is irrelevant.

I like Mahomes and think he can be a worthwhile prospect to develop as a qbotf. The key word being "develop" however. He has physical talents that allow him to get away with poor habits. His current comfort level in 3, 5, and 7 step drops from under center is inadequate for the next level - he has admitted as much. Mayock called it out out, Gruden pointed it out, and the only thing that will fix it is a lot of practice and time to groom it. Mahomes admitted he has never played under center EVER. What a dis-service high school and college coaching is doing to qb prospects nowadays.

You are separating a lot of the component mechanics in your analysis of him, which I think is accurate, but a lot of it goes back to footwork (weight transfer, torque, narrow/wide base, etc.)

The way I see Mahomes?
+ High ceiling with rare, elite arm talent and positive intangibles. Guts. Athletic enough to extend plays. Can make every throw.
- Bails the pocket and detects pressure that is not there. Will need time to acclimate to a pro-style scheme with regards to under-center play and verbiage. Makes high-risk decisions at times looking for the big play when game situations dictate otherwise. Ball security can be cleaned up.
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Don't get condescending and pissy. Nobody is pimping Smith in here so that is irrelevant.

I like Mahomes and think he can be a worthwhile prospect to develop as a qbotf. The key word being "develop" however. He has physical talents that allow him to get away with poor habits. His current comfort level in 3, 5, and 7 step drops from under center is inadequate for the next level - he has admitted as much. Mayock called it out out, Gruden pointed it out, and the only thing that will fix it is a lot of practice and time to groom it. Mahomes admitted he has never played under center EVER. What a dis-service high school and college coaching is doing to qb prospects nowadays.

You are separating a lot of the component mechanics in your analysis of him, which I think is accurate, but a lot of it goes back to footwork (weight transfer, torque, narrow/wide base, etc.)

The way I see Mahomes?
+ High ceiling with rare, elite arm talent and positive intangibles. Guts. Athletic enough to extend plays. Can make every throw.
- Bails the pocket and detects pressure that is not there. Will need time to acclimate to a pro-style scheme with regards to under-center play and verbiage. Makes high-risk decisions at times looking for the big play when game situations dictate otherwise. Ball security can be cleaned up.
LOL. You haven't begun to see condescending from me, but I can be if you'd like.

I do agree with your analysis though.

I do hate when people think the pundits are the bible. I challenge King to watch every snap Mahomes takes and chart how many throws he deems improper. I'll then watch them and we can see if we agree.
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I remember Aaron Rodgers at CAL...held the ball high near his earhole with both hands when dropping back...very robotic. Its as if they broke him down at GB...burned away the Tedford inlfuence...relaxed him...now he holds the ball low...casual...free floating in the pocket as he surveys the field...then he fires. Almost as if he were at park playing with some friends. I envision the same being the case for Mahomes who plays like that already. All he needs is work under center and experience which grows confidence.
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LOL. You haven't begun to see condescending from me, but I can be if you'd like.

I do agree with your analysis though.

I do hate when people think the pundits are the bible. I challenge King to watch every snap Mahomes takes and chart how many throws he deems improper. I'll then watch them and we can see if we agree.
Post one of his game videos. Any game.
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What footwork does he need work on? The only footwork he needs work on is in dropping back from under center. His weight transfer in his throwing motion is more than fine. Kid needs no work there. Don't know what the **** everyone is carrying on about. Kid throws darts anywhere you want em thrown.

You want to know why people think he has "footwork" issues? Because they see him scramble and throw on the run and attribute it to "bad footwork." No, no that's not ****ing bad footwork. If they were talking about making bad decisions trying to throw from awkward angles on the move, then sure, he does it too much. That doesn't mean his footwork is bad. If you told me Mahomes makes bad decisions forcing the ball into tight coverage, I'd say he does it too much. That doesn't make his footwork bad.

It's the goddamn dumb**** Zeirlein that doesn't know a lick of shit about football saying he has bad footwork and people reading it like its the ****ing gospel because they are too lazy to watch it themselves or can't decipher what they are watching anyhow.

This kid needs ZERO "extra" work on his foot plant/weight transfer and follow through in his throwing motion. None. His footwork in his throwing motion is identical to Aaron Rodgers'. I've provided the videos before. He sets quickly and transfers weight from back leg to front.

Footwork. Don't give me this bullshit about footwork, because I know exactly what "footwork" people are talking about and they are dead ****ing wrong. Footwork coming out from under center and through a 3, 5, and 7-step drop? Yes, absolutely he needs work on that (and so does every single ****ing QB coming out of college now). But that isn't what idiots are talking about. They think he throws off his back foot and lofts the ball up there all the time. Completely wrong. He transfers that weight almost every single time.

And to be honest, I don't give a shit if the guy stands on his head and throws a pass so long as it's money. Mahomes is money. Of course, you could continue to cheer for that shitbag Alex Smith, he's a real fine specimen.
No Crow that is not accurate. He throws off of his back foot most of the time. It has been pointed out lots of times. No not when he is scrambling when he is still in the pocket. He relies on his arm strength and talent to overcome his flaws. He has lots of them.
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I remember Aaron Rodgers at CAL...held the ball high near his earhole with both hands when dropping back...very robotic. Its as if they broke him down at GB...burned away the Tedford inlfuence...relaxed him...now he holds the ball low...casual...free floating in the pocket as he surveys the field...then he fires. Almost as if he were at park playing with some friends. I envision the same being the case for Mahomes who plays like that already. All he needs is work under center and experience which grows confidence.
And in retrospect, as much as it frustrated Rodgers, sitting for THREE years was the best thing for him. This draft crop needs to sit as well, at minimum a year or two. I wonder how Rodgers would have fared if he would have had to play right away or only after one year?......

This is why I trust Dorsey to find the right guy, and to allow for the right approach in development regardless of how long it takes.
You also wonder how Alex might have turned out if he had been given more time to develop instead of being thrown to the wolves surrounded by a shitty roster?...
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The only people who believe Mahomes is a first rounder are desperate fans.
There it is folks. Iron clad proof that Mahomes is going in the first. Shoot, if Claynus is stating it as fact that he's not first round talent, then we may just be looking at a future hall of famer.
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There it is folks. Iron clad proof that Mahomes is going in the first. Shoot, if Claynus is stating it as fact that he's not first round talent, then we may just be looking at a future hall of famer.
The funny thing is that a bunch of people on here thought that Geno Smith would have been a worthy #1 overall pick.

Those same people are hyping up these mediocre QB prospects as 1st round talents.

The cycle continues at CP.
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The funny thing is that a bunch of people on here thought that Geno Smith would have been a worthy #1 overall pick.

Those same people are hyping up these mediocre QB prospects as 1st round talents.

The cycle continues at CP.
Every one of us that wanted to draft Geno, wanted him to sit for 1 year minimum and I wanted 2 years.

Everybody agreed that he wasn't ready to go right away...but NY is dumb and pushed the kid on the field too early when he wasn't ready.
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