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Old 04-24-2006, 10:41 PM  
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If Cutler falls to #20

do we take a chance on him? A potential franchise quarterback. Him and LJ could make a darn good backfield. Or do we pass and do the defense thing.

Tough choice IMO.
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:13 AM   #46
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I like Trent Green a lot. However, it took 6-8 years to develop him. We don't have that sort of luxury.

This whole discussion is probably mooot anyway; I expect the next REAL Chief's QB to come via FA anyway, given their history of developing QBs....



My impression of Hali's slide is it's because of he lacks pure speed (he's more quick), and his lack of real "upside" (he IS who he will be?).

FTR, I like Hali....as long as we trade down to do it.
You basically said the exact same thing about Hali that I did. He lacks upside. Hence, he's not "boom or bust".
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:14 AM   #47
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if he drops ... we take him


he needs time to develop and with trent green around we have that time.


we aren't 1 first round pick away anyway


at vandy Cutler got the crap pounded out of him ... which may explain some of his recklessness.
I don't disagree with grooming a QB under Green or that we're a 1st-round pick away.

The only thing I disagree with is Cutler himself. There's other QB's in this draft I'd rather have, and none of them would cost us even close to a 1st-round pick.
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:33 AM   #48
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I don't disagree with grooming a QB under Green or that we're a 1st-round pick away.

The only thing I disagree with is Cutler himself. There's other QB's in this draft I'd rather have, and none of them would cost us even close to a 1st-round pick.
How about Hali in the first, best available DB in the second, Whitehurst in the third.....and best available DT for the compensatory third round pick we get for trading down for Hali?

Can we compromise with that?
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:45 AM   #49
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How about Hali in the first, best available DB in the second, Whitehurst in the third.....and best available DT for the compensatory third round pick we get for trading down for Hali?

Can we compromise with that?
Sure, although I'd rather have Croyle than Whitehurst and I think Hali may end up being a 2nd-rounder.
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:49 AM   #50
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if he's there....I think you have to pass on him.

There is no sense in taking him. Trent will be here another 3 years anyway.
I don't like to see my team draft a QB knowing he'll be on the bench for 3 years trying to progress and learn behind Green. That is no different than a project, and I think it would be a lot wiser to draft a QB in the 3rd or 5th round if thats the case. There is no need to draft a guy like that in the 1st round. And it's not like this team has a sense of urgency to draft a QB. You have to view the situation with our team, look whats right.

I'll be pissed if we drafted Cutler. Now, if he's there at 20, and a team behind us needs a QB, thats fine....But would that team trade up with us? I like for this team to acquire extra draft picks....And I think Cutler would represent good trade value.
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:53 AM   #51
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old and slow hit it on the money. Because I live in North Dakota, I'm forced to listen to Minnesota sports talk or none at all. The Vikings are already salivating over possibility of him falling to 17. They've even talked about trading up for him. The book on Cutler is all over the place. Everything from "He's the best QB in the draft" to "He's not a day 1 pick". Crazy. But if, for some crazy reason, he's there, he's a chance I'd be willing to take.
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:54 AM   #52
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if he's there....I think you have to pass on him.

There is no sense in taking him. Trent will be here another 3 years anyway.
I don't like to see my team draft a QB knowing he'll be on the bench for 3 years trying to progress and learn behind Green. That is no different than a project, and I think it would be a lot wiser to draft a QB in the 3rd or 5th round if thats the case. There is no need to draft a guy like that in the 1st round. And it's not like this team has a sense of urgency to draft a QB. You have to view the situation with our team, look whats right.

I'll be pissed if we drafted Cutler. Now, if he's there at 20, and a team behind us needs a QB, thats fine....But would that team trade up with us? I like for this team to acquire extra draft picks....And I think Cutler would represent good trade value.
Good post.
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:54 AM   #53
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if he's there....I think you have to pass on him.

There is no sense in taking him. Trent will be here another 3 years anyway.
I don't like to see my team draft a QB knowing he'll be on the bench for 3 years trying to progress and learn behind Green. That is no different than a project, and I think it would be a lot wiser to draft a QB in the 3rd or 5th round if thats the case. There is no need to draft a guy like that in the 1st round. And it's not like this team has a sense of urgency to draft a QB. You have to view the situation with our team, look whats right.

I'll be pissed if we drafted Cutler. Now, if he's there at 20, and a team behind us needs a QB, thats fine....But would that team trade up with us? I like for this team to acquire extra draft picks....And I think Cutler would represent good trade value.
Could have said the same thing about drafting LJ.....


Three years? I think we begin looking to replace him next year...I'd bet he holds onto the job next year.....but by the 2008 season Trent will be 38 yrs old.....
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:59 AM   #54
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Could have said the same thing about drafting LJ.....
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I disagree. A young RB could come in a play well immediately, even if only a few plays a game. Of course we all saw that he didn't play right away, but he could have. Big difference than a project QB.
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I disagree. A young RB could come in a play well immediately, even if only a few plays a game. Of course we all saw that he didn't play right away, but he could have. Big difference than a project QB.
And you are 100% sure of that? That he didn't get stronger, and smarter watching Priest for a couple of years?

Profiles of LJ, were mixed (at best) at the time....
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Vandy vs. Florida on ESPN classic. I haven't watched Cutler play before.
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Old 04-25-2006, 12:03 PM   #57
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Could have said the same thing about drafting LJ.....


Three years? I think we begin looking to replace him next year...I'd bet he holds onto the job next year.....but by the 2008 season Trent will be 38 yrs old.....
Trent Green isn't holding out for a huge contract, nor is he currently re-habbing from what many people thought was a career-ending injury.

Not to mention the fact that LJ was as NFL-ready as they come and Cutler isn't...

The two scenarios aren't even close to analagous...
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Trent Green isn't holding out for a huge contract, nor is he currently re-habbing from what many people thought was a career-ending injury.

Not to mention the fact that LJ was as NFL-ready as they come and Cutler isn't...

The two scenarios aren't even close to analagous...
If you say so.....
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If you say so.....
See, there IS alot you can learn from paying attention to Laz.
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See, there IS alot you can learn from paying attention to Laz.
Yeah, yeah.....
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