Chiefs Well it happened slowly, but we're starting to get there. Our DL.

Direckshun · 05-03-2009, 10:54 PM

It's slowly coming together.

You can disagree with the picks, you can claim the players we have picked for the DL have been busts... but there is no doubt that we are building a DL with formidable talent that has incredible potential. There is no doubt we are building our DL the right way.

1st round picks:

DE/OLB Tamba Hali
DT/DE Glenn Dorsey
DE Tyson Jackson

2nd round picks:

DE Turk McBride

3rd round picks:

NT Tank Tyler
DE Alex Magee

(Free agents

DE Alfonso Boone
NT Ron Edwards

Direckshun · 05-03-2009, 10:55 PM

Like I said, it's not there yet, but it's easy to get excited about it.

What if Jackson and Magee can develop into bookends? What if Jackson in particular lives up to expectations?

What if Dorsey can become the Dockett-like penetrator?

What if Tank can hold down the nose?

What if Turk can provide good rotational depth at DE?

What if Tamba can somehow fit into the 3-4?

This is the easiest unit on the entire team to get excited over. Bar none.

**DeezNutz** · 05-03-2009, 10:57 PM

What if we can record more than 10 sacks?

What if we don't give up back-to-back 300 yard rushing games?

What if I JIMP?

SBK · 05-03-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Like I said, it's not there yet, but it's easy to get excited about it.

What if Jackson and Magee can develop into bookends? What if Jackson in particular lives up to expectations?

What if Dorsey can become the Dockett-like penetrator?

What if Tank can hold down the nose?

What if Turk can provide good rotational depth at DE?

What if Tamba can somehow fit into the 3-4?

This is the easiest unit on the entire team to get excited over. Bar none.

I agree.

beach tribe · 05-03-2009, 11:01 PM

I see some people with real optimism showing up in this thread soon to tell us we're idiots, but I do agree with you completely.

Direckshun · 05-03-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What if we can record more than 10 sacks?

What if we don't give up back-to-back 300 yard rushing games?

What if I JIMP?

You know, it sucks that our DL hasn't produced more given the high picks we've invested in it, and I suppose that process may be elongated now that we've switched schemes.

But there is NO doubt that this is how you build a defense, and a team. You draft DL first. And we've stocked that position -- I can only hope we continue to do so.

Good lord, this is a position that takes a year or three to learn. What if we have a couple guys starting to get it this year? Tank learns to anchor. McBride learns to penetrate. Hali learns to turn the corner.

Bang. Everybody feeds off that and this DL can become a feeding frenzy.

**Smed1065** · 05-03-2009, 11:04 PM

It may not happen but I agree. Seems familiar with success in the NFL before us.

There are a lot of if's but seems like a good start for a rebuild. IMO.

**DeezNutz** · 05-03-2009, 11:05 PM

I'll say one thing, if we can't start to get results with all of this day-one talent, it will be hugely disappointing.

Not sure about all the optimism about players on the roster, though, and here's why:

This defense was historically bad. This is a fact, not opinion. Though the LBers were putrid, the DL wasn't good either. And we kept the DL coach. The implication is that coaching wasn't the problem; the problem was lack of talent.

**Smed1065** · 05-03-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'll say one thing, if we can't start to get results with all of this day-one talent, it will be hugely disappointing.

Not sure about all the optimism about players on the roster, though, and here's why:

This defense was historically bad. This is a fact, not opinion. Though the LBers were putrid, the DL wasn't good either. And we kept the DL coach. The implication is that coaching wasn't the problem; the problem was lack of talent.

That defensive line coach is my biggest concern, I mean that was the biggest WTF this off season as far as I am concerned.

**DeezNutz** · 05-03-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

McBride learns to penetrate. Hali learns to turn the corner.

Bang. Everybody feeds off that and this DL can become a feeding frenzy.

You can't "learn" things if you don't have the God-given skill set. Hali will never "learn" to turn the corner, for example.

I agree that any successful team needs to be stout in the trenches, but FFS, it doesn't have to be comprised of all first-round picks.

We've had this same argument numerous times about the offensive side of the ball.

Direckshun · 05-03-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'll say one thing, if we can't start to get results with all of this day-one talent, it will be hugely disappointing.

Not sure about all the optimism about players on the roster, though, and here's why:

This defense was historically bad. This is a fact, not opinion. Though the LBers were putrid, the DL wasn't good either. And we kept the DL coach. The implication is that coaching wasn't the problem; the problem was lack of talent.

You know what happens if we can't get results with all these high picks invested in DL?

You invest more high picks in the DL. You keep feeding this monster. We need to anyway, we're still lacking a true NT and one, probably two OLBs.

You CANNOT WIN in the NFL without a DL. We cannot abandon this approach hoping for some alternate route.

**DeezNutz** · 05-03-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You know what happens if we can't get results with all these high picks invested in DL?

You invest more high picks in the DL. You keep feeding this monster. We need to anyway, we're still lacking a true NT and one, probably two OLBs.

You CANNOT WIN in the NFL without a DL. We cannot abandon this approach hoping for some alternate route.

How about we just find, you know, players who can actually play? Doesn't have to be a high pick, necessarily.

Just like you don't need 5 first-round picks across the offensive line.

Direckshun · 05-03-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

How about we just find, you know, players who can actually play? Doesn't have to be a high pick, necessarily.

Just like you don't need 5 first-round picks across the offensive line.

Because the degree of difficulty for the DL is much, much higher than the OL.

You don't NEED to throw high picks at it, but your chances of landing able bodies to apply pressure are much higher. I'm confused that I'd even have to explain that.

beach tribe · 05-03-2009, 11:19 PM

I will NEVER understand Krumrie being employed by the Chiefs.

**DeezNutz** · 05-03-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Because the degree of difficulty for the DL is much, much higher than the OL.

You don't NEED to throw high picks at it, but your chances of landing able bodies to apply pressure are much higher. I'm confused that I'd even have to explain that.

If we go 3-4, we're going to need a DT, and this might necessitate a very high pick. Or we might be fortunate enough to get a guy who falls to us in the 2nd-3rd. A Brace, for example.

Your second paragraph is true of all positions on the field, so quit trying to hyperfocus on the DL. For once, I'd like to see us build a...get ready, cause I'm going off the ****ing charts here...balanced football team.

Next year's draft is "stalked" (a CP fav) full of defensive talent, so I'm sure we'll get our wish. But a Mays or a Berry would do very, very nicely.

05-03-2009, 10:54 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Well it happened slowly, but we're starting to get there. Our DL. It's slowly coming together. You can disagree with the picks, you can claim the players we have picked for the DL have been busts... but there is no doubt that we are building a DL with formidable talent that has incredible potential. There is no doubt we are building our DL the right way. 1st round picks: DE/OLB Tamba Hali DT/DE Glenn Dorsey DE Tyson Jackson 2nd round picks: DE Turk McBride 3rd round picks: NT Tank Tyler DE Alex Magee (Free agents DE Alfonso Boone NT Ron Edwards
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05-03-2009, 10:55 PM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Like I said, it's not there yet, but it's easy to get excited about it. What if Jackson and Magee can develop into bookends? What if Jackson in particular lives up to expectations? What if Dorsey can become the Dockett-like penetrator? What if Tank can hold down the nose? What if Turk can provide good rotational depth at DE? What if Tamba can somehow fit into the 3-4? This is the easiest unit on the entire team to get excited over. Bar none.
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05-03-2009, 11:01 PM	#5
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05-03-2009, 11:19 PM	#14
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