Justin Houston’s last year in KC?

[kcbubb]

I’m not an expert on these contracts, but could it be Houston’s last year here? His production has been awful and with two games this year with big leads and lots of down the field pass attempts by opposing QBs, Houston has no sacks. I think he has less sacks in the last 50 or so games than he did in the year before his contract, the big year with 22 sacks. His cap hit will decline dramatically next year. He might be gone. As a general rule, I think the chiefs should limit these large 2nd contracts. The motivation just isn’t there. The raiders were right to trade Khalil Mack. Here’s the info on Houston’s contract. Let’s hope Houston turns it around. We need him for a playoff run but if he doesn’t increase production, I think he’s gone.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...-houston-7789/

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That is a possible option but lets be real, that is a reclamation project that you are hoping to turn into production for cheap it's not like he's been good so far.

He's basically Dee Ford, he's a broke dick without a ton of production but you probably get him cheaper.

In other words a "Veach-Type of Player."

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Dude..

Dee Ford is a 1 dimensional player that gets hurt all the time, why the **** would you want to tag him?

To see if he can stay healthy. He's still our best pass rusher so far. If he can approach double digit sacks in 2018 and 2019 I'd offer him a long term contract.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Dude..

Dee Ford is a 1 dimensional player that gets hurt all the time, why the **** would you want to tag him?

Exactly. NO WAY I'd want THAT guy to be tying up significant cap $$$ that could be used elsewhere for improvements.

[Prison Bitch]

More local yokels demanding anothe Mizzou trash signing. As if we have learned the lesson 80 times already

Ray by analytics ratings is virtually worthless. He wouldn't even be a poor mans Ford

[Mecca]

Like it or not, this team is going to have to spend FA money and at least 1 draft pick on OLB yet again.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

More local yokels demanding anothe Mizzou trash signing. As if we have learned the lesson 80 times already

Ray by analytics ratings is virtually worthless. He wouldn't even be a poor mans Ford

He'll get signed for virtually nothing, teams take former first round picks and see if they can make something of them all the time...matter of fact we have 2 of those guys starting on this ****ing team...that's right up Veach's alley.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

To see if he can stay healthy. He's still our best pass rusher so far. If he can approach double digit sacks in 2018 and 2019 I'd offer him a long term contract.

I get that, but then you're open to him being a virtual "no-show" for the duration of the contract. Long term deals are a risk with any player, but he more than most, because that's his history. I sure would not be willing to take that chance, but that's just my opinion.

[Mecca]

I doubt I'd ever be ok with paying Dee Ford, he just doesn't do enough to warrant taking up a bunch of money, we'll end up in another spot where a guy who is paid never plays.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He'll get signed for virtually nothing, teams take former first round picks and see if they can make something of them all the time...matter of fact we have 2 of those guys starting on this ****ing team...that's right up Veach's alley.

I'd rather that "alley" be Fowler than Ray.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Lol @ the people still defending Houston. It's obvious he's either lost motivation or offensive lineman have figured out how to block him. And stop with the Von Miller comparisons. Miller currently leads the NFL in sacks with 4 and last year he was doubled more than anyone.

J Houston is nothing but a good run defender and okay pass rusher now. Unless his play dramatically improves the rest of the season (which it more than likely won't) he needs to go.

He's an exceptional run and pass defender. I don't for a second question his heart. He's not the elite pass rusher he once was. But he's still good at it. I think his lower production has a lot more to do with Sutton not finding creative ways enough to create pressure. Seems like we have fewer rushers asked to do more.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'd rather that "alley" be Fowler than Ray.

I understand that, Fowler will likely get more money though.

I only threw them out there because really great pass rushers don't get to FA and they'll make it because they've been disappointing. Not sure who else will make it out there...

Team also needs to make a play for a competent CB and probably a DE so this will be a fun year of trying to find some productive dudes who aren't asking for shit tons of money.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If Ford played like he has so far for a full 16 games, I’d probably franchise him. Depending on KPass and Speaks’ development.

No long term deal, but I’d keep him on a deal that will continue to motivate him, then let him go.

[RunKC]

Houston has not been as bad as people are claiming. Same with Chris Jones.

Ideally I would like it if we could restructure Houston’s deal without pushing money back (convert money to guaranteed in 2019 to lower cap hit), use that money saved tofranchise Dee Ford and draft a pass rusher in the first rd. 2019 draft is stacked with excellent pass rushers.

I want to keep as many good rushers as possible

[OKchiefs]

Kpass needs to start getting more playing time.

[Mecca]

Well I highly doubt KPass or Speaks is gonna show much seeing as Kpass gets less snaps than Speaks and Speaks looks like a fat guy who has no burst.