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Global warming: Daily Mail: How world leaders were duped into investing billions...

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Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015....
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Old 02-05-2017, 12:22 PM   #2
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Old 02-05-2017, 12:32 PM   #3
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With a quickness. Not one US dollar should be paid to the Paris Accord.
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Old 02-05-2017, 12:39 PM   #4
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Old 02-06-2017, 12:49 PM   #6
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A google search shows Thomas R. Karl, who lead the effort to present a fraudulent report to the Paris Climate Conference, has a masters degree in meteorology from Northern Illinois University. Mr. Karl has served as a professional advocate for blaming climate change on humans before being appointed to head NOAA's Centers for Environmental Information.

A google search for whistleblower Dr. John J. Bates doesn't show a Wikipedia page. LinkedIn shows he has earned a PHD in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin. Dr. Bates has been a meteorologist at NOAA from 1988 to present, including leading roles in climate data collection and diagnostics.

It would appear that Mr. Karl is a political hack using NOAA to promote a political agenda and Dr. Bates is a career professional blowing the whistle on an unprofessional destruction of NOAA's credibility as a source of reliable climate information.
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Old 02-06-2017, 01:43 PM   #7
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A google search shows Thomas R. Karl, who lead the effort to present a fraudulent report to the Paris Climate Conference, has a masters degree in meteorology from Northern Illinois University. Mr. Karl has served as a professional advocate for blaming climate change on humans before being appointed to head NOAA's Centers for Environmental Information.

A google search for whistleblower Dr. John J. Bates doesn't show a Wikipedia page. LinkedIn shows he has earned a PHD in meteorology from the University of Wisconsin. Dr. Bates has been a meteorologist at NOAA from 1988 to present, including leading roles in climate data collection and diagnostics.

It would appear that Mr. Karl is a political hack using NOAA to promote a political agenda and Dr. Bates is a career professional blowing the whistle on an unprofessional destruction of NOAA's credibility as a source of reliable climate information.
Dr Bates retired from NOAA at the end of last year after a 40-year career in meteorology and climate science. As recently as 2014, the Obama administration awarded him a special gold medal for his work in setting new, supposedly binding standards ‘to produce and preserve climate data records’.
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Old 02-06-2017, 01:45 PM   #8
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Who is surprised? From the article..

The scandal has disturbing echoes of the ‘Climategate’ affair which broke shortly before the UN climate summit in 2009, when the leak of thousands of emails between climate scientists suggested they had manipulated and hidden data. Some were British experts at the influential Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

NOAA’s 2015 ‘Pausebuster’ paper was based on two new temperature sets of data – one containing measurements of temperatures at the planet’s surface on land, the other at the surface of the seas.

Both datasets were flawed. This newspaper has learnt that NOAA has now decided that the sea dataset will have to be replaced and substantially revised just 18 months after it was issued, because it used unreliable methods which overstated the speed of warming. The revised data will show both lower temperatures and a slower rate in the recent warming trend.

The land temperature dataset used by the study was afflicted by devastating bugs in its software that rendered its findings ‘unstable’.

The paper relied on a preliminary, ‘alpha’ version of the data which was never approved or verified.

A final, approved version has still not been issued. None of the data on which the paper was based was properly ‘archived’ – a mandatory requirement meant to ensure that raw data and the software used to process it is accessible to other scientists, so they can verify NOAA results.
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Old 02-06-2017, 01:55 PM   #9
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If anyone is interested in the truth, here's some additional information from actual scientific organizations and climate scientists.

First, David Rose has a long history of science denial pieces in the Daily Mail. From climate change to GMOs, to the Iraq war, he's been caught publishing false information on numerous occasions.

Here's 4 separate times the UK Met office corrected one of David Rose's articles publishing incorrect information: https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/tag/david-rose/

If you look at the links there, you will quickly see why David Rose has a very poor reputation. He posts flat out false information, which the Met office corrects with sources to their work.

Here's Rose getting caught publishing misinformation by Discover Science: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/im.../#.WJia6rYrJt9

Here's a response from climate scientist Zeke Hausfather from Berkeley on David Rose's misinformation: https://www.carbonbrief.org/factchec...mperature-rise

Here's another from Phil Plait at Discover Magazine: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba.../#.WJia7bYrJt9

Here's another from The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...limate-science

Whether you're taking the time to read the links or not, hopefully, you're noticing the trend here...

Regarding John Bates, he wasn't actually involved in any aspect of the NOAA's work here. Here's a step-by-step breakdown of everything wrong in the article, written by a climate scientist who actually did work on the Karl project being discussed:

http://icarus-maynooth.blogspot.com.....html?spref=tw

This link is incredibly informative.

As is this one: http://variable-variability.blogspot...noaa-Karl.html

Note that the majority of the scientific rebuttals above are from science entities or scientists outside of the US. Please have a look at the above information, and then compare it with the Daily Mail article from someone with a well documented history of false science articles. If you simply give the material above an honest read, the truth will be quite clear.
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Old 02-06-2017, 01:56 PM   #10
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Old 02-06-2017, 01:59 PM   #11
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The scandal has disturbing echoes of the ‘Climategate’ affair which broke shortly before the UN climate summit in 2009, when the leak of thousands of emails between climate scientists suggested they had manipulated and hidden data. Some were British experts at the influential Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

NOAA’s 2015 ‘Pausebuster’ paper was based on two new temperature sets of data – one containing measurements of temperatures at the planet’s surface on land, the other at the surface of the seas.

Both datasets were flawed. This newspaper has learnt that NOAA has now decided that the sea dataset will have to be replaced and substantially revised just 18 months after it was issued, because it used unreliable methods which overstated the speed of warming. The revised data will show both lower temperatures and a slower rate in the recent warming trend.

The land temperature dataset used by the study was afflicted by devastating bugs in its software that rendered its findings ‘unstable’.

The paper relied on a preliminary, ‘alpha’ version of the data which was never approved or verified.

A final, approved version has still not been issued. None of the data on which the paper was based was properly ‘archived’ – a mandatory requirement meant to ensure that raw data and the software used to process it is accessible to other scientists, so they can verify NOAA results.
This is not correct. Please refer to this link from the Irish Climate Analysis and Research Units for additional information: http://icarus-maynooth.blogspot.com.....html?spref=tw

While a new version of ERSST is forthcoming the reasoning is incorrect here. The new version arises because NOAA and all other centres looking at SST records are continuously looking to develop and refine their datasets. The ERSSTv4 development completed in 2013 so the new version reflects over 3 years of continued development and refinement. All datasets I have ever worked upon have undergone version increments. Measuring in the environment is a tough proposition - its not a repeatable lab experiment - and measurements were never made for climate. It is important that we continue to strive for better understanding and the best possible analyses of the imperfect measurements. That means being open to new, improved, analyses. The ERSSTv4 analysis was a demonstrable improvement on the prior version and the same shall be true in going to the next version once it also has cleared both peer-review and the NOAA internal process review checks (as its predecessor did).

The land data homogenisation software is publicly available (although I understand a refactored and more user friendly version shall appear with GHCNv4) and all known bugs have been identified and their impacts documented. There is a degree of flutter in daily updates. But this does not arise from software issues (running the software multiple times on a static data source on the same computer yields bit repeatability). Rather it reflects the impacts of data additions as the algorithm homogenises all stations to look like the most recent segment. The PHA algorithm has been used by several other groups outside NOAA who did not find any devestating bugs. Any bugs reported during my time at NOAA were investigated, fixed and their impacts reported.

The land data of Karl et al., 2015 relied upon the published and internally process verified ISTI databank holdings and the published, and publically assessable homogenisation algorithm application thereto. This provenance satisfied both Science and the reviewers of Karl et al. It applied a known method (used operationally) to a known set of improved data holdings (published and approved).
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Old 02-06-2017, 02:16 PM   #12
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I don't get why people are still buying into the climate change bullshit. It was shown in 2007/2008? that NOAA data was fabricated. They took a year off and then started another round of "the sky is falling!" and now it's being shown, once again, to be bad science, at best.
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I don't get why people are still buying into the climate change bullshit. It was shown in 2007/2008? that NOAA data was fabricated. They took a year off and then started another round of "the sky is falling!" and now it's being shown, once again, to be bad science, at best.
No, it wasn't shown that they fabricated anything. That was not true, and several followup studies have confirmed the results. And in fact, their data adjustments actually lowered the rate of warming. The data would actually show more warming without the adjustments.

Please refer to any of the following links. They each explain it well, and have lots of sources for further information.

Global warming trend unaffected by 'fiddling' with temperature data

Nothing False About Temperature Data

No climate conspiracy: NOAA temperature adjustments bring data closer to pristine
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