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Old 03-09-2017, 11:23 AM  
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Paul Ryan is a superstar

He's giving a good presentation on GOP efforts to repeal and replace Obamacare right now. It's amazing that there are members of the House (notably members of the freedom caucus) who don't understand the Senate concept of reconciliation. The freedom caucus, Rand "grandstand" Paul, and the most moderate senators had better not screw this up. Donald Trump needs to be prepared to hold their feet to the fire.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:30 AM   #2
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The plan is shit. Ryan's an asshole for even bringing it up.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:31 AM   #3
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The bill is shit. Ryan's an asshole for even bringing it up.
Sure it is. Thanks for your invaluable non-contribution.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:37 AM   #4
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I have no interest in cementing in Obamacare lite. I like Rand's plan much better. I think it actually addresses the problems by putting the consumer in control of the dollars.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:39 AM   #5
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:39 AM   #6
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Sure it is. Thanks for your invaluable non-contribution.
Given the lameness of your O.P., you shouldn't be criticizing anyone's subsequent posts.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:40 AM   #7
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I just don't trust the Republicans to not **** this up.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:40 AM   #8
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I have no interest in cementing in Obamacare lite. I like Rand's plan much better. I think it actually addresses the problems by putting the consumer in control of the dollars.
Almost everyone, including me, could find a plan they like better. I don't know a lot about Rand's plan, but it wouldn't surprise me if I liked it better than the Trump/Price/Ryan plan, but it has to be something that can pass the Senate, otherwise he might as well be proposing single payer.

Ryan's plan puts control in the hands of consumers too, in the form of expanded HSAs and, presumably, the end to essential coverage requirments.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:43 AM   #9
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I like the push back from all sides and hope it creates the best bill possible for everyone.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:45 AM   #10
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Given the lameness of your O.P., you shouldn't be criticizing anyone's subsequent posts.
Welcome to my lame thread. Stop bringing it down further with your typical content-free comments.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:48 AM   #11
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I like the push back from all sides and hope it creates the best bill possible for everyone.
As long as the criticisms are constructive and lead to unification behind the ultimate bill,* I have no problem with them. I have no tolerance for "purity or I take my ball home" ultimatums though.

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* Ryan isn't offering a take it or leave it bill. I think he is anticipating changes via the normal amendment process, and that's good IMO.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:51 AM   #12
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I don't really understand the game afoot here at the moment. What I do understand is that I trust Rand Paul more than I trust Paul Ryan.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:52 AM   #13
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I just don't trust the Republicans to not **** this up.
I think there's a good chance of the GOP ****ing it up because the challenges of passing the reconciliation component are significant (due to the varied opinions among Republicans) and the challenges of getting the normal legislation component (e.g. Buying insurance across state lines, tort reform, etc) past a filibuster are even worse. I think they're going to need Donald Trump's best pimp hand to focus support.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:59 AM   #14
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The plan is shit. Ryan's an asshole for even bringing it up.
See we can agree on things.
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Old 03-09-2017, 12:02 PM   #15
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