Chiefs Tom Heckert: Likely new GM... - Page 5

DaWolf · 03:29 PM

According to multiple reports, if this deal gets wrapped, Heckert is in.

EDIT: Schefter reporting that Dorsey is also someone Reid wants to talk to.

Thoughts? He's no Pioli, but have his moves with the Browns left you impressed?

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In the past two years, Heckert overhauled a veteran-laded roster built by Mangini and spearheaded a youth movement. The Browns finished 2012 with 29 players on their 53-man roster who were either in their first or second NFL seasons. They also had a league-high 87 combined starts from rookies this season.

Heckert acquired 17 of the Browns’ 22 starters from 2012. Of those 17 starters brought in by Heckert, he drafted the following 11: cornerback Joe Haden, defensive tackle Phil Taylor, running back Trent Richardson and quarterback Brandon Weeden (first-round picks); strong safety T.J. Ward, defensive end Jabaal Sheard, wide receivers Greg Little and Josh Gordon, a selection in the 2012 supplemental draft, offensive right tackle Mitchell Schwartz (second-round picks); right guard Shawn Lauvao (third-round pick); and strongside linebacker James-Michael Johnson (fourth-round pick).

None of the players Heckert picked for the Browns has made the Pro Bowl yet. But several seem to have bright futures.

“He’s a great general manager,” Haden said Sunday night. “I can tell by the way he drafts players. You can look and you see his draft picks are out there on the field just basically balling for the team. He drafted me. He drafted T.J. He drafted Weeden. He drafted Richardson. This is such a young team, and all of his players are out there playing. That says a lot.”

Still, not every pick has panned out as planned.

Heckert, who has Youngstown roots, let fullback Lawrence Vickers go in free agency and replaced him with Owen Marecic, a fourth-round pick in 2011. Marecic was plagued by dropped passes and lost his spot atop the depth chart in 2012. Heckert traded a third-round and two fifth-round picks in 2010 to move up in the second round to select running back Montario Hardesty, whose career has been plagued by injuries, including a torn ACL in his left knee as a rookie in 2010 and a torn calf muscle that forced him to sit out six games in 2011. The jury is still out on Hardesty, who stayed healthy in 2012.

Although Heckert bolstered several positions – perhaps most notably the defensive line – he might have failed to bring a franchise quarterback to Cleveland. In Heckert’s first two years with the Browns, they cycled through Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy. They drafted Weeden 22nd overall in 2012.

Weeden, a 29-year-old former minor-league baseball player, played 15 games and finished with a franchise rookie record 3,385 passing yards and 14 touchdowns, but he also threw 17 interceptions and posted a passer rating of 72.6. It remains to be seen whether the new regime will give Weeden another season to prove himself after an inconsistent rookie year.

Heckert’s drafts will be remembered for some blockbuster deals – including one couldn’t pull off. The Browns failed in their attempt to trade with the St. Louis Rams for the right to draft Robert Griffin III second overall in 2012.

In March, the Browns offered the Rams two first-round selections (Nos. 4 and 22 overall) and a first-round pick in 2013 for the right to draft Griffin at No. 2. The Washington Redskins, though, struck a deal by giving up their first- and second-round picks in 2012 (Nos. 6 and 39), plus a first-round choice in 2013 and another in 2014. The Browns reportedly tried to add their 2012 second-round pick (No. 37) with a second proposal, but the Rams had already decided to accept the Redskins' offer.

Then on April 26, Heckert traded picks in the first (No. 4), fourth (No. 118), fifth (No. 139) and seventh (No. 211) rounds to the Minnesota Vikings, allowing the Browns to move up to the No. 3 slot, where they nabbed Richardson. The Browns were also aggressive by picking Weeden at No. 22 because there was a chance he would have been available to them early in the second round, when they ended up taking Schwartz at No. 37.

In 2011, Heckert traded the sixth overall pick in 2011 to the Atlanta Falcons, which they used to select wide receiver Julio Jones sixth overall in 2011. In exchange, the Browns received picks in the first (27th), second (59th) and fourth (124th) rounds in 2011 and first- and fourth-rounders in 2012. Heckert then traded the 27th overall pick and a third-round selection (No. 70) to move up to No. 21, so he could take Taylor. He drafted Little with No. 59, Marecic with No. 124, Weeden with the Falcons’ first-round pick last year and traded their fourth-round choice.

http://www.ohio.com/news/top-stories...l-man-1.361661

Amnorix · 01-03-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

Factually incorrect... Fat Scott hasn't upgraded the roster.

This analysis comes from people who look at the roster and see the 5 Pro Bowl players, without understanding that 4 of those 5 Pro Bowl players were on the roster BEFORE Fat Scott arrived.

I'm not saying whether it's correct or not, I'm just relaying what Bedard said he HEARD from "around the league" (whatever that means).

FWIW.

Monty · 01-03-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Pioli ****ing SUCKS. He's decimated this roster, hired shit coach after shit coach and is a ****ing tyrant.

**** Pioli. **** 'em hard and **** 'em dry.

Amnorix · 01-03-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Pioli is dead to this fanbase, he's done.

Believe me, I've heard.

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Originally Posted by O.city

Dude, people here with direct knowledge of the situation are saying that Pioli is done here in KC.

Ok. I haven't seen those quotes, but I have no reason to think otherwise. It's definitely possible that Reid sweeps him out. Again, I was relaying what non-Chiefs sources were saying. If you have inside sources, then I'd go with them. If you have a bunch of sportswriters speculating, then I've given you more speculation.

**ChiTown** · 01-03-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I tend to think Pioli would be out, but at least one person close to the Patriots speculated that Pioli might survive if Reid joins KC.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...tball-thoughts

It really comes down to whether Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator and can work with (and under) Reid in the same way he worked with (and under) Belichick. Another Boston sportswriter, Greg Bedard (who is relatively new to Boston and is not a Patriots toady) said on sports radio last week that "if you ask around the league, the general consensus is that he has upgraded the talent in Kansas City and has done a pretty good job with that roster, though obviously he has missed in the critical coach and quarterback spots" (not a direct quote, but very, very close).

Not what you guys want to hear, I know, but that's what I've been hearing up here anyway.

- JFC, that is border-line reeruned.

Frosty · 01-03-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

- JFC, that is border-line reeruned.

Imagine that - some Patriots ballwashers still think Pioli is good. Color me shocked.

**the Talking Can** · 01-03-2013, 02:45 PM

patriot way dead-enders....

pioli is another fraud that got exposed the second he moved out of brady's zipcode...

htismaqe · 01-03-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

You guys are acting like if Pioli doesn't get the sword TODAY then the Chiefs are screwed.

Actually, I was trying to tell the people that think he needs to get the sword today to CALM DOWN.

The Chiefs aren't screwed. Pioli had 100% full control for 4 years, Reid needs to pick his brain.

Take a couple of weeks. Suck as much info as you can and then kick him to the curb before the scouting combine.

NJChiefsFan · 01-03-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm good with Heckert until proven otherwise. Some of the Cleveland moves were questionable but I'm sure that Mike Holmgren had serious input as well.

The best part is that Reid, his staff and Heckert all work well together, which is more than half the battle.

I agree with you, especially on the last sentence. CLE really wasn't a bad team at the end of the year, relatively speaking anyway. I actually think they are going somewhat up. The issue is going to be Weeden.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-03-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I think if Andy Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator...

Okay, just stop the **** RIGHT THERE.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

unless reid is reeruned, he knows - like everyone else - that pioli is a cancer and a failure....

"hey clark, I'd like to hitch my future to that GM you hired who is responsible for creating a 2-14 team..."

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Pioli ****ing SUCKS. He's decimated this roster, hired shit coach after shit coach and is a ****ing tyrant.

**** Pioli. **** 'em hard and **** 'em dry.

Most of all, get him the **** out of Kansas City.

Ahh....this.

Sully · 01-03-2013, 02:59 PM

Not a fan of the Weeden pick, but ok.

Ultra Peanut · 01-03-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Munson

Anybody > Pioli

"Vindication is sweet."
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Sorter · 01-03-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Not a fan of the Weeden pick, but ok.

I chalk that one up to desperation, along with Greg Little.

NJChiefsFan · 01-03-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Not a fan of the Weeden pick, but ok.

Rumors were he wanted to trade for RG3 but wouldn't match WAS. To be fair, WAS offered a lot.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-03-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Actually, I was trying to tell the people that think he needs to get the sword today to CALM DOWN.

The Chiefs aren't screwed. Pioli had 100% full control for 4 years, Reid needs to pick his brain.

Take a couple of weeks. Suck as much info as you can and then kick him to the curb before the scouting combine.

This could even be part of a buyout agreement.

Hang out and assist in this transition and I'll add more cash.

Ultra Peanut · 01-03-2013, 03:02 PM

Make him drive the bus, imhop.

... okay, maybe putting the lives of ~70 people and god knows how many other drivers in his hands is probably a bad idea.

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