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Old 08-30-2006, 11:15 AM  
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Bennett: Herm wants 580 carries this season
Micheal Bennett was on 810 this morning and said that Herm told him they are targeting 580 carries for the season for the team.

I am not very good at math but that is 36.25 carries per game. Poor LJ he may not last to see his next contract.
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:09 PM   #31
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:10 PM   #32
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I've been harping on this carry thing for a while, I know. But... I don't think we're going to reach that number. Herm keeps saying that, but that's a lot of running. It's possible, I'm not just not sure we'd do it.

I saw that piece on ESPN and heard LJ say he thinks he needs 30 carries a game. The first thing that went in my head was the math, and that was 480 carries, which would obliterate the record. I really wouldn't think that's feasible, but then again we ran him at that pace last year. He's a tough guy though, I think he could do it... although he might very well feel the effects of that in a couple years. I don't think LJ really knows his own limits yet, he hasn't played a full season and taken a full season of pounding. He's still kinda learning that I think, like last year in the Denver game when he took himself out in the 4th quarter because he was just out of gas. I think we'll be okay, but that probably is a small worry, that LJ isn't going to pace himself because he's just full speed ahead all the time.

The one thing in his advantage is he just doesn't have the wear and tear of other RB's cause he sat for 3 years in college and for two years here. That should help. 580 carries is reachable, but it'll be tough. The Steelers led the league last year with 549 carries, and led the league the year before that with 618. They also finished 32nd in pass attempts both years. If we do that and run effectively, we're gonna be tough to beat.
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:11 PM   #33
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I don't get the concern over "running LJ into the ground" and "shortening his career"....who cares? Most starting RBs have short careers anyways, why not get the most out of him while we can, then let some other team take him off our hands in a few years after he's past his prime. I want what is best for KC, not what is best for LJ's long-term career aspirations.

Also, I think Bennett will get a handful of carries this year, but I think he will play an even larger role in the passing game. I expect to see him line up in the slot and and take a lot of screen passes so we can take advantage of his speed in the open field.
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:12 PM   #34
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Anyone who wants Larry Johnson to carry the ball 400 times in a season is crazy. You'll basically take our best player and cut years off his career.

350 is about the max amount of carries he should have,especially if he gets 30-40 catches.
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:13 PM   #35
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I don't get the concern over "running LJ into the ground" and "shortening his career"....who cares? Most starting RBs have short careers anyways, why not get the most out of him while we can, then let some other team take him off our hands in a few years after he's past his prime. I want what is best for KC, not what is best for LJ's long-term career aspirations.

Also, I think Bennett will get a handful of carries this year, but I think he will play an even larger role in the passing game. I expect to see him line up in the slot and and take a lot of screen passes so we can take advantage of his speed in the open field.
So you think it's wise to find a great player, burry him in the ground and have to replace him in 2 years.......You can get the most out of him for 5-7 years instead of 3 if you don't do something stupid like give him 400 carries.

What is best for KC isn't destroying the best player on the team, after Jamal Anderson set that record he was basically done......keep that in mind.
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25 for Johnson, 7-8 for Bennett, the odd one here and there for the fullback or an end around. I mean, I don't write for two football websites or anything, but this does not seem like we're doomed material or anything. Probably just a moderate increase over last year when most people were yelling that we needed to run the ball more anyways.
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I don't get the concern over "running LJ into the ground" and "shortening his career"....who cares? Most starting RBs have short careers anyways, why not get the most out of him while we can, then let some other team take him off our hands in a few years after he's past his prime. I want what is best for KC, not what is best LJ's long-term career aspirations.

Also, I think Bennett will get a handful of carries this year, but I think he will play an even larger role in the passing game. I expect to see him line up in the slot and and take a lot of screen passes so we can take advantage of his speed in the open field.
What's best for the Chiefs is to have a stud RB for 7-8 years, rather than 2-3 years,

The great ones have long careers.

Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith.

I'd rather have a 15-1600 yard back for 7 years than a 3 year wonder.

KC hasn't exactly been a RB factory.
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:17 PM   #39
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Why does it make sense to have a goal for the number of rushes in the season? I thought the point is to win games, and on offense, the point is to get first downs and score.

Part of me says the offense is going to be just fine...Turley will be okay, the offense won't change, Green is still in charge, etc...

Part of me is a little panicked by all the idiotic talk coming out of Edwards' mouth about changing the offense to be more conservative.
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25 for Johnson, 7-8 for Bennett, the odd one here and there for the fullback or an end around. I mean, I don't write for two football websites or anything, but this does not seem like we're doomed material or anything. Probably just a moderate increase over last year when most people were yelling that we needed to run the ball more anyways.
Well, Larry Johnsons pace at the end of the season is to high to carry out for a full season.....I think some people don't understand that.
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:18 PM   #41
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You can't really put too much stock in LJ's carries as a starter last year though because we had nobody else to carry the ball to give him breathers.

If we had a relaible backup behind LJ last year, there's a lot of games where he would have seen much fewer carries.
I think a good indicator of what will happen is if look at the NY Jets Rushing stats in 2004 when they went to the playoffs.

31 yr old Curtis Martin rushed 371 times for an average of 23 carries per game.

LaMont Jordan rushed 93 times for 5.8 carries a game.

Now take into account LJ is alot younger than Martin was and he could easily break the 400 carry mark.

IMHO there is only 2 scenarios where LJ doesn't get 25 carries per game:

1. He is hurt and out of the game
2. We are down by 14 pts or more and we have to throw the ball 40 times.

If we are winning by 10 points or more Herm will ride LJ to 40 carries a game.
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So you think it's wise to find a great player, burry him in the ground and have to replace him in 2 years.......You can get the most out of him for 5-7 years instead of 3 if you don't do something stupid like give him 400 carries.

What is best for KC isn't destroying the best player on the team, after Jamal Anderson set that record he was basically done......keep that in mind.
Or we could wisen up and realize the careers of RBs in this league are short, and we should use LJ up while we have him and replace him with a younger guy once he starts to fall off. Denver has done it for years, why can't we do the same thing?

I haven't once mentioned 400+ carries for LJ, all I have said is that i'm not really worried about his long-term career. Only three players have had 400 carries in a season, and I think it's a long shot for LJ to reach that mark this year.
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Ugh......if he carries it 400 times we'll be drafting a RB in 2 years.
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LJ won't break 40 carries in a single game this year.
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Or we could wisen up and realize the careers of RBs in this league are short, and we should use LJ up while we have him and replace him with a younger guy once he starts to fall off. Denver has done it for years, why can't we do the same thing?

I haven't once mentioned 400+ carries for LJ, all I have said is that i'm not really worried about his long-term career. Only three players have had 400 carries in a season, and I think it's a long shot for LJ to reach that mark this year.
Wisen up........Larry Johnson looks like an elite back, sure Denver gets production but you can see a difference from when they had Portis to now that they don't. It's just not wise to get a player who has ability that doesn't come along very often and blow it by working him to much.

When you have players that are elite like that you don't run them into the ground you pace them so they're great for 8 years instead of 3....
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