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Old 06-18-2018, 10:02 PM  
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Senate rejects Trump’s rescue of Chinese firm ZTE

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Senate rejects Trump’s rescue of Chinese firm ZTE

The Senate voted Monday to reimpose the U.S. ban on Chinese telecom giant ZTE, in a rebuke to President Donald Trump and his efforts to keep the company in business.

The provision targeting ZTE was part of the National Defense Authorization Act, a must-pass defense spending bill that cleared the Senate by a vote of 85-10. It must now be reconciled with the House version of the measure, which takes a narrower approach to ZTE.

The vote raises the stakes in Congress' brewing confrontation with Trump over the Chinese company, which lawmakers of both parties consider a national security threat to U.S. networks.

In a sign of the broad backing for the effort, Republican Sens. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Marco Rubio of Florida as well as Democrats like Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts pushed for the ZTE ban to be included in the defense bill.

The White House has been scrambling to avert a showdown on the issue, dispatching Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to Capitol Hill last week and warning that any congressional action on ZTE should respect “the separation of powers.”

Trump will meet Wednesday with some Republicans on ZTE, Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) told POLITICO, although he didn’t say how many lawmakers would attend and whether the group would include any Democrats.

“I think the president wants to weigh in, and we want to listen to what he has to say,” Cornyn said, adding that “obviously there’s conflict" between the administration and Congress on the issue.

The Commerce Department initially imposed a seven-year ban in April on American companies doing business with ZTE, saying the Chinese telecom violated a 2017 agreement by conducting illegal sales to North Korea and Iran. But ZTE soon became a pawn in Trump's trade negotiations with China.

The company is the fourth-largest vendor of mobile phones in the U.S. but depends on U.S. chipmakers to provide many of the electronic components — and warned it would not be able to survive being shut out of the American market.

Trump tweeted in May that he and Chinese President Xi Jinping were working on a way to get ZTE "back into business, fast," adding, "Too many jobs in China lost." The president said he'd instructed the Commerce Department to figure out a way to do it.

A subsequent deal announced by the agency would allow the Chinese company to operate in the U.S. if it pays a $1 billion fine, changes its management and embeds a compliance team.

That reversal alarmed lawmakers who have warned for years that China could harness equipment sold by ZTE and another homegrown telecom giant, Huawei, to steal data, eavesdrop on conversations or even carry out cyberattacks in the U.S.

The Senate’s ZTE provision would force Trump to certify that Chinese telecoms have not violated U.S. law for a full year and are cooperating with U.S. investigators before any lifting of civil penalties. It would also prevent the U.S. government from purchasing or subsidizing equipment from ZTE and Huawei.


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Old 06-19-2018, 04:27 PM   #16
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It's critical to remember that China is our adversary and will never be our friend. They are every bit as dangerous to us as Russia and in many ways more so. They commit espionage and IP theft on a constant basis and are a threat to our national security.
China needs us at least right now a little bit more than we need them. Russia really serves little purpose in the world and is more of a pain in the ass than anything else
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Old 06-19-2018, 04:32 PM   #17
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It's critical to remember that China is our adversary and will never be our friend. They are every bit as dangerous to us as Russia and in many ways more so. They commit espionage and IP theft on a constant basis and are a threat to our national security.
I agree China is more a problem but economically for now. Later they will be militarily but mainly because we built them up economically. They are building relationships around the world though, which is what we should be doing. Instead we're at war just about everywhere or trying to fix places militarily that can't really be fixed at all.

On the other hand, Russia is not dangerous to us. They are weak with a GDP the size of say Italy? They do have nukes, but they have acted with more restraint around the world than we have. We have more in common with them in terms of an enemy. There is no reason why we can't be on friendlier terms.
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Old 06-20-2018, 04:39 AM   #18
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I agree China is more a problem but economically for now. Later they will be militarily but mainly because we built them up economically. They are building relationships around the world though, which is what we should be doing. Instead we're at war just about everywhere or trying to fix places militarily that can't really be fixed at all.

On the other hand, Russia is not dangerous to us. They are weak with a GDP the size of say Italy? They do have nukes, but they have acted with more restraint around the world than we have. We have more in common with them in terms of an enemy. There is no reason why we can't be on friendlier terms.
Because they suck at human rights. Oh, but, so does the US now. So **** it.
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Old 06-20-2018, 05:00 AM   #19
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Because they suck at human rights. Oh, but, so does the US now. So **** it.

You poor simpering ****. People that have actually lived in countries where human rights are suppressed and now live here would laugh in your face and kick you where your balls should be.
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:43 AM   #21
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Because they suck at human rights. Oh, but, so does the US now. So **** it.


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Old 06-20-2018, 09:51 AM   #22
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Because they suck at human rights. Oh, but, so does the US now. So **** it.

You are pathetic... actually you're beyond pity...
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Just thinking of this some more:

You realize that China hold our debt and could dump US Treasuries which would really hurt us—BIGLY. He was using it as a negotiating chip. It's not that he's really helping China here. This is why more needs to be done to start reducing our debt. This includes no Space Force for now.
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Old 06-24-2018, 02:02 PM   #24
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Old 06-24-2018, 02:04 PM   #25
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This is the civility of right wing posters you were referencing?
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Cute, so a statement should be met with personal attacks. Heard.
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Because they suck at human rights.
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No it doesn't. Only rights worth defending are natural rights—not UN stipulated rights.
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No it doesn't. Only rights worth defending are natural rights—not UN stipulated rights.
And this is how you counter a statement you disagree with, with civility. Thank you BEP for illustrating this concept to your fellow DC posters.
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It's critical to remember that China is our adversary and will never be our friend. They are every bit as dangerous to us as Russia and in many ways more so. They commit espionage and IP theft on a constant basis and are a threat to our national security.
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