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Old 06-11-2018, 09:45 AM  
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CBS/YouGov poll: America HATES immigration

Just about the 84,000th poll over the years stating the obvious. But get this: even blacks and Hispanics aren't wild about it either. Maybe TanMan will get around to this issue someday.


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New CBS/YouGov poll:
Every race, age, and sex believe immigration has had a more negative impact on their community than positive.
Whites: 58% neg./ 15% pos.
Blacks: 45% neg./ 17% pos
Hispanics: 44% neg./ 28% pos
Other: 51% neg/ 21% pos


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Old 06-13-2018, 09:13 AM   #46
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To me, this isn't a yes or no deal. If you're flat out opposed to immigration or you're flat out supportive of mass migration, you're flat out wrong.

Legal immigration in a controlled manner is a vital part of our economy. We can't make America great if we don't have the skill labor to deliver. We can train someone to do basic infrastructure. We aren't going to train someone overnight to do specific trade labor or educate someone overnight in STEM. And for executive and managerial positions, your pipeline should be filled with the best candidates. Period. If you pass on the best candidate purely because you don't want immigrants, you're an idiot.

Illegal immigration is different. And I don't like when people oversimplify. You can't just en masse wipe out illegal immigration. It's going to decimate our ag economy, let alone stall key construction and infrastructure projects. The option doesn't have to be amnesty or a path to citizenship. We should first acknowledge that illegal is illegal, then enforce the borders, from there recognize labor that is actually contributing to the economy. Force these workers to compete at a legal wage, then expand the visa program. Visas mean no citizenship, often means only temporary stays in the US, and it will force workers to pay taxes. And it will do so in a way that avoids severe business disruption, massive deportation costs, and by forcing legal wages up it will force non useful labor to "self deport."
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:19 AM   #47
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The whole "immigration" debacle has been going on in the US for the last 45 years. Before that, there wasn't much of a problem. I know - growing up as a kid in Arizona, there were few "illegals" per se. They would come across the border in the early 60s - pick the crops then return home - much richer than they were before that.

All we ever hear now is "We can't deport 15 million illegals" which is code for "We AREN'T going to do it, so shut the hell up".

The other sad fact is that there aren't 15 million illegals currently in the US. It most likely resides in the 25 million area. This is what allowing people to simply walk across our borders does to an economy. Just like a parasite invasion. strips everything bare, then moves on to the next "ripe" area. In this case - Canada.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:36 AM   #48
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Poor dumb bastard. England is the RESULT of unfettered immigration. Open borders, to those stupid like yourself.

It's all right…you are simply too stupid to know better...
Those Pakis that colonized London were legal immigrants bro. Not illegals.

7.5M have legally immigrated to England since 1960, about 0.6M are illegals. The vast majority were legal. LEGAL!
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:05 AM   #49
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The whole "immigration" debacle has been going on in the US for the last 45 years. Before that, there wasn't much of a problem. I know - growing up as a kid in Arizona, there were few "illegals" per se. They would come across the border in the early 60s - pick the crops then return home - much richer than they were before that.

All we ever hear now is "We can't deport 15 million illegals" which is code for "We AREN'T going to do it, so shut the hell up".

The other sad fact is that there aren't 15 million illegals currently in the US. It most likely resides in the 25 million area. This is what allowing people to simply walk across our borders does to an economy. Just like a parasite invasion. strips everything bare, then moves on to the next "ripe" area. In this case - Canada.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:14 AM   #50
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Are you just arguing with me for the sake of arguing? When did I even close to say that anything but a small minority of conservatives oppose immigration for racist reasons?
You said they're the loudest voices. I'm saying they're the voices that the left leaning media promotes because it's easy to oppose. By putting these voices front and center they use guilt by association to discredit anyone with legitimate immigration concerns.

This was all very clear in my post. At no point did I accuse you of saying what you're alleging.

The loudest and mostly ignored voice are those who oppose mass migration and open borders. They are conflated, by the media, as being racists to delegitimize them.

How can I dumb this down?

Group A is racists who oppose all immigration
Group B supports open borders and mass migration.
Group C wants to end open borders and mass migration, but support a sensible legal immigration system.

Because Group B controls most media they put people from group A front and center in their coverage. While doing so they conflate them with group C to delegitimize them all while mostly ignoring the valid arguments group C makes.

Group A isn't the biggest or loudest. Group B just decided to give them the biggest platform in hoping to convince people to agree with their ideas. They obfuscate group C because their views are both rational AND make up the majority of americans.

Make sense?
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:15 AM   #51
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Of course, Bitch would be fine with legal immigration, if all the immigrants were White and Christian. Right Bitch?
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:16 AM   #52
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People always do this^. Put their own views out as "the majority" or the "middle ground" because they love thinking they're normal and reasonable.

We don't have good polling data that distinguishes this. We can look at Trump's election as a good proxy for what voters really think. If you were correct he'd have lost in the Primary and then the general, if people really do like legal immigration.
When did Trump ever say he wanted to end all migration to the US?

He never did.

Jesus, no wonder you're so pissed off. You actually thought Trump WAS a white nationalist.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:16 AM   #53
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Of course, Bitch would be fine with legal immigration, if all the immigrants were White and Christian. Right Bitch?
I would imagine only certain white people would qualify.

I mean, he'll take anglo saxons, but those filthy slavs can stay in east europe.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:18 AM   #54
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People always do this^. Put their own views out as "the majority"
Man, someone call the ****ing irony police.

This whole thread is you doing exactly that thing.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:01 AM   #55
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You said they're the loudest voices. I'm saying they're the voices that the left leaning media promotes because it's easy to oppose. By putting these voices front and center they use guilt by association to discredit anyone with legitimate immigration concerns.

This was all very clear in my post. At no point did I accuse you of saying what you're alleging.

The loudest and mostly ignored voice are those who oppose mass migration and open borders. They are conflated, by the media, as being racists to delegitimize them.

How can I dumb this down?

Group A is racists who oppose all immigration
Group B supports open borders and mass migration.
Group C wants to end open borders and mass migration, but support a sensible legal immigration system.

Because Group B controls most media they put people from group A front and center in their coverage. While doing so they conflate them with group C to delegitimize them all while mostly ignoring the valid arguments group C makes.

Group A isn't the biggest or loudest. Group B just decided to give them the biggest platform in hoping to convince people to agree with their ideas. They obfuscate group C because their views are both rational AND make up the majority of americans.

Make sense?
You made the claim that I was calling pb representative of the voice of the majority of the anti immigration group. That is the complete opposite of what I said. Not sure why the lecture on MSM distorting racism considering it was the point I was already making
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:43 AM   #56
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Of course, Bitch would be fine with legal immigration, if all the immigrants were White and Christian. Right Bitch?
Oh look, another dipshit who bleats out the "I want LEGAL!" stupidity.


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Old 06-13-2018, 12:02 PM   #57
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When did Trump ever say he wanted to end all migration to the US?

He never did.

Jesus, no wonder you're so pissed off. You actually thought Trump WAS a white nationalist.

You are having a lot of trouble remembering things, and your Google is broken. Here let me help:


Don said he wanted to deport illegals. Maybe you didn't hear him say that. That is FARRRR more extreme than just stopping newcomers - deportation takes those already here.
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:03 PM   #58
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Yes, you are correct. I forgot how damned old I am. When my Old Man was stationed in Arizona - GoodYear - it was in the late 50s. There was no problem with illegals back then. They came, they picked cotton, onions and the rest, then they went back across the border.

Today? They feel as though they have some inherent right to be here...
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Don said he wanted to deport illegals. Maybe you didn't hear him say that. That is FARRRR more extreme than just stopping newcomers - deportation takes those already here.

And? What is wrong with sending law breakers BACK from whence they came? Idiot...
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And? What is wrong with sending law breakers BACK from whence they came? Idiot...
I honestly think there's something wrong with your brain.
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