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Old 06-13-2018, 07:18 AM  
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Chris Conley Vs Demarcus Robinson

These guys are likely to be battling it out for the third WR role in the team once the season starts. So the question is who are yall backing to win the spot? I heard Ryan Tracy and his buddy Chris blowing smoke up Conley's ass yesterday, saying it would be "ridiculous" if Robinson gets in ahead of him and I wondered why on earth would that be the case? Conley has been here for three years and has the grand total of ONE TD to his name!!...ONE.

Now granted, he may have been held back by Smith a little, but Is there anything in his game that he has that Robinson doesn't have? Imo Robinson is quicker, he's more elusive, gets separation better and has shown he can make tough catches all over the field whether it's underneath or over the top. Yet the way those guys were talking about Conley, you would have thought he was Randy Moss part two .

I just look at the last two games Robinson played against Denver and the Titans and I thought he was very decent indeed. His connection with Mahomes should also work In his favor too. If Conley proves me wrong and becomes an important cog in the offense then I'll gladly hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. But I just don't see anything special about the guy at all. And with him having only one year left on his contract, Robinson would be the one worth investing in now I think.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:19 AM   #16
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Conley had some insane Combine numbers. He's got the ability, he's just never shown any of it on the field.

I like Robinson a lot though. He's also pretty talented, and seems to have good focus. Looked to have a nice relationship with Mahomes last year too.

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Old 06-13-2018, 09:20 AM   #17
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Conley also has the NFL combine record for a 45" vertical....I dont remember Smith EVER exploiting this advantage. I cant fathom being able to jump almost 4 feet in air from a stand still...that's insane.

People forget what a physical freak he is...and is fast as shit.

Robinson is getting a lot of reps because Conely is working back from his injury....we haven't seen Mahomes play with him yet.

WR3 is going to get a lot of action in this offense...
Yeah, he's a super legit athlete.

But he's never really looked like he could use that as a WR.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:21 AM   #18
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Conley looks more polished than Robinson. Nor do i recall Conley ever missing on as many catchable balls as Robinson did in that Denver game. Conley also tested insanely well at the combine, so it's not as if Robinson is this fantastic athlete and Conley isn't because their combine scores would say quite the opposite.

With that said, i'm rooting for them both. I'm sure they'll both see time on the field regardless. It's a whole new season and Conley has to work back from injury, and Robinson has had another season to develop. It'll be one of the more fun battles to watch in TC/PS.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:28 AM   #19
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These guys are likely to be battling it out for the third WR role in the team once the season starts. So the question is who are yall backing to win the spot? I heard Ryan Tracy and his buddy Chris blowing smoke up Conley's ass yesterday, saying it would be "ridiculous" if Robinson gets in ahead of him and I wondered why on earth would that be the case? Conley has been here for three years and has the grand total of ONE TD to his name!!...ONE.

Now granted, he may have been held back by Smith a little, but Is there anything in his game that he has that Robinson doesn't have? Imo Robinson is quicker, he's more elusive, gets separation better and has shown he can make tough catches all over the field whether it's underneath or over the top. Yet the way those guys were talking about Conley, you would have thought he was Randy Moss part two .

I just look at the last two games Robinson played against Denver and the Titans and I thought he was very decent indeed. His connection with Mahomes should also work In his favor too. If Conley proves me wrong and becomes an important cog in the offense then I'll gladly hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. But I just don't see anything special about the guy at all. And with him having only one year left on his contract, Robinson would be the one worth investing in now I think.
The hell are you talking about?

Robinson dropped more passes in a few games than Conley has in his career. His catch rate was barely 50% last year when every other WR in KC was over 60%. The only guy with a catch rate worse ( and it's not that much worse) was demetrius Harris. Think about that.

Robinson has a knack for getting open, but I'm kinda surprised anyone expects him to beat out Conley. It doesn't matter how open you are if you don't catch the damn ball.

Conley is faster, quicker, jumps higher... athletically Conley wins in every area. It doesn't take 'Randy Moss' to beat out Robinson. I don't see anything from either guy we can't replace pretty easily.

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Old 06-13-2018, 09:42 AM   #20
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Yep, I heard that too and Nate said, "and he's been catching everything and looks good", So it's gonna be very interesting to see what transpires through training camp and In the pre-season games. I'm betting that Demarcus wins the battle in the end because his potential is way higher than Conley's imo.
In what way does he have more potential?

You say athletically, but that's not even close. Conley is objectively bigger, faster, jumps higher, ect.

I'm not particularly high on either guy... but Robinson had his chance last season and essentially shit the bed with his barely 50% catch rate (compared to Conley's 68%), multiple drops in few attempts, ect. Put it this way.

Conley needed 16 passes thrown his way to get 175 yards on 11 catches

Robinson had 39 passes thrown his way for 212 yards on 21 catches... 10.1 YPC.

I don't see where you're getting this. The eye test says Conley is a better athlete (as well as the combine) and he's more productive.

What do you like about Robinson?
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:50 AM   #21
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In what way does he have more potential?

You say athletically, but that's not even close. Conley is objectively bigger, faster, jumps higher, ect.

I'm not particularly high on either guy... but Robinson had his chance last season and essentially shit the bed with his barely 50% catch rate (compared to Conley's 68%), multiple drops in few attempts, ect. Put it this way.

Conley needed 16 passes thrown his way to get 175 yards on 11 catches

Robinson had 39 passes thrown his way for 212 yards on 21 catches... 10.1 YPC.

I don't see where you're getting this. The eye test says Conley is a better athlete (as well as the combine) and he's more productive.

What do you like about Robinson?
The hype for Robinson started last OTA's right before Maclin was cut. Then he made those huge splash plays in preseason against the Titans, and had another good game against the Titans in the playoffs. The nephew of a former NFL WR, Robinson has always had talent, and he's flashed, so it's easy to understand why fans may expect a break out season from him.

But i agree, he's not the athlete that Conley is and doesn't have the hands or production that Conley does. But one guy is returning from a season ending injury and the other is building on his first season with any significant playing time. So it will in fact be a camp battle.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:54 AM   #22
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Yeah, he's a super legit athlete.

But he's never really looked like he could use that as a WR.
We never throw these types of jump balls to him. He really excels at doing this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lRpn4dKtt5w

Mahomes will be making these throws.
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Assuming he's ok after his injury, Conley should be a lot better than Robinson.
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The hell are you talking about?

Robinson dropped more passes in a few games than Conley has in his career. His catch rate was barely 50% last year when every other WR in KC was over 60%. The only guy with a catch rate worse ( and it's not that much worse) was demetrius Harris. Think about that.

Robinson has a knack for getting open, but I'm kinda surprised anyone expects him to beat out Conley. It doesn't matter how open you are if you don't catch the damn ball.

Conley is faster, quicker, jumps higher... athletically Conley wins in every area. It doesn't take 'Randy Moss' to beat out Robinson. I don't see anything from either guy we can't replace pretty easily.
Is that you Ryan or Chris? First of all some of the so-called "catches" Robinson dropped against Denver were damn near impossible to catch. Mahomes either threw it too strongly or overthrew him on more than one occasion. The fact Is Robinson beat his man several times and Pat just wasn't on target on those occasions, which is why I don't put the blame on Demarcus. Secondly, there is no way Conley is more elusive or faster over a short distance than Robinson is, that's just bullcrap. Imo Conley is just a guy who can catch the odd ball here and there and maybe keep a drive going. Robinson on the other hand, has a great ability to beat his man and get separation, plus he can make tough catches all across the field.

Robinson showed against the Titans that he can handle the big stage, Conley has just been average ever since he turned up at Arrowhead.
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In what way does he have more potential?

You say athletically, but that's not even close. Conley is objectively bigger, faster, jumps higher, ect.

I'm not particularly high on either guy... but Robinson had his chance last season and essentially shit the bed with his barely 50% catch rate (compared to Conley's 68%), multiple drops in few attempts, ect. Put it this way.

Conley needed 16 passes thrown his way to get 175 yards on 11 catches

Robinson had 39 passes thrown his way for 212 yards on 21 catches... 10.1 YPC.

I don't see where you're getting this. The eye test says Conley is a better athlete (as well as the combine) and he's more productive.

What do you like about Robinson?
I can show you evidence actually. HERE is where the drive started against the Titans when he got his TD. I caught four balls in that drive on the left, middle and right-hand side of the field. And all of them he got separation with the last catch coming after he dodged a jam and juked another defender.

And In THIS preseason game against the Titans he made three big catches too.

Now, show me evidence that Conley has this sort of elusiveness, separation and catching skills in his arsenal!!!..I'd love to see it.
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The hype for Robinson started last OTA's right before Maclin was cut. Then he made those huge splash plays in preseason against the Titans, and had another good game against the Titans in the playoffs. The nephew of a former NFL WR, Robinson has always had talent, and he's flashed, so it's easy to understand why fans may expect a break out season from him.

But i agree, he's not the athlete that Conley is and doesn't have the hands or production that Conley does. But one guy is returning from a season ending injury and the other is building on his first season with any significant playing time. So it will in fact be a camp battle.
Being a good "athlete" is only one part of the game though. Demarcus is more elusive, gets separation much better and has made catches that are simply incredible. Robinson has the potential to be a game changer imo. I've seen no evidence that Conley is anything other than a possession guy.
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More importantly, did you know De'Anthony Thomas is still on the team? In fact, we resigned him three months ago ( albeit just for a one year contract ).

He actually took less to stay in KC. I thought I remember reading a couple teams were after him.
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Being a good "athlete" is only one part of the game though. Demarcus is more elusive, gets separation much better and has made catches that are simply incredible. Robinson has the potential to be a game changer imo. I've seen no evidence that Conley is anything other than a possession guy.
Robinson's spectacular catches were the product of even more spectacular Mahomes throws. Quite frankly we haven't really even seen Conley given the opportunity to make catches like that.

As far as separation goes, that's highly debateable. It's already been pointed out to you; Conley has been more productive on half as many targets. That alone should make you question what you THINK you're seeing.
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