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Old 01-28-2013, 10:41 AM   #8821
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the only way Punk can be put over now or become credible is if Austin ever comes back and puts him over. Other than that, they buried him just like they do the rest of the roster when the 5 guys they want come back and walk all over people (Rock, Taker, Triple H, Brock, Cena, etc)
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:44 AM   #8822
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so was Brock Lesnar and look how that turned out.
No, brock had a limited number of dates that had to be stretched out over a calendar year. That's why you haven't seen him.

(Of course they also made the mistake of having Cena beat him, which just about killed any interest.)
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:51 AM   #8823
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My watch party seemed to think that we were still headed for Punk/Undertaker at 'Mania. That match would have been ten times more compelling if Punk still had the title. A reigning, defending WWE champion for 500+ days coming in to take on The Streak? Awesome. Keg is absolutely right here. You have to give audiences a reason to think that Undertaker could lose.

How is an audience supposed to feel threatened by CM Punk now? He hasn't won clean on a PPV in like half a year, and his whole gimmick has been "my belt means I'm better than you." Now that he doesn't have the belt how's he supposed to be compelling (I have faith he'll figure something out).

I'm mostly sad that Punk's title reign -- THE story of 2012 -- had no satisfying narrative resolution. You could argue that the man he attacked to turn heel was the one who ended the reign, and that provides some resolution, but I don't buy it. You build up Punk to have a reign of terror and it gets snuffed out. Ended T.S. Eliot style, not with a bang but a whimper.
You would need a completely focused/maniacal Punk that is consumed with Taker and the streak over the next couple months. Similar to the Straight Edge Society Punk, just amped up quite a bit. I think it would be terrific, but what they will probably do is have Punk job to Santino in the pre-show.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:54 AM   #8824
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You would need a completely focused/maniacal Punk that is consumed with Taker and the streak over the next couple months. Similar to the Straight Edge Society Punk, just amped up quite a bit. I think it would be terrific, but what they will probably do is have Punk job to Santino in the pre-show.
That's daniel bryan now that he and kane are breaking up. Loses in 3 seconds to a cobra to break sheamus' record.

I'm trying to think about possibilities for the mania card outside of rock-cena and I'm drawing a blank. What faces do they have on the roster right now? Orton? Sort of. Miz? Ugh. Kofi? No main event faces at all.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:55 AM   #8825
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I know they can't do it for this year's Mania, but I hope to see a build toward a Punk/Bryan feud. Those two would crush it.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:04 PM   #8826
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I'd love a punk/bryan feud, too, but they'd bury them so far down the card that we'd be lucky if they got 5 minutes in the ring.

I just at some point want Bryan to stop being a comedy character.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:08 PM   #8827
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That's daniel bryan now that he and kane are breaking up. Loses in 3 seconds to a cobra to break sheamus' record.

I'm trying to think about possibilities for the mania card outside of rock-cena and I'm drawing a blank. What faces do they have on the roster right now? Orton? Sort of. Miz? Ugh. Kofi? No main event faces at all.
Sheamus, Del Rio, and Ryback are all "top" faces.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:09 PM   #8828
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Ahh, del rio. I forgot about him.

They need to do Sheamus and Barrett.

Ryback needs to disappear from the face of the earth.
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Vince is giving Heyman a "performance review" tonight. I can't imagine that leads to anything good.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:20 PM   #8830
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So we're probably looking at Rock/Cena, HHH/Lesnar and Sheamus/Orton.

Either Jericho/Ryback or Jericho/Ziggler. I'd rather it be Ziggler, because Jericho can stay face after last night, it would be a fantastic match, and he won't get squashed in 5 seconds.

Punk and...Taker still the talk. Not sure how they get to there from last night. The Shield will have to do something tonight (beat down Vince during Heyman's segment?) but I'm not sure how you build a feud with Taker coming off a loss like last night. You'd have to think if Shawn Michaels is involved, it will be in HHH's match, not Taker's, so beating him up wouldn't make sense. They could have feasibly set up the lights going down last night as Taker and not Shield, costing Punk the title, so Punk's out for revenge, but they didn't do that (did they? I couldn't actually see what was happening). Taker ends his streak, so he wants to end Taker's.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:21 PM   #8831
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So we're probably looking at Rock/Cena, HHH/Lesnar and Sheamus/Orton.

Either Jericho/Ryback or Jericho/Ziggler. I'd rather it be Ziggler, because Jericho can stay face after last night, it would be a fantastic match, and he won't get squashed in 5 seconds.

Punk and...Taker still the talk. Not sure how they get to there from last night. The Shield will have to do something tonight (beat down Vince during Heyman's segment?) but I'm not sure how you build a feud with Taker coming off a loss like last night. You'd have to think if Shawn Michaels is involved, it will be in HHH's match, not Taker's, so beating him up wouldn't make sense. They could have feasibly set up the lights going down last night as Taker and not Shield, costing Punk the title, so Punk's out for revenge, but they didn't do that (did they? I couldn't actually see what was happening). Taker ends his streak, so he wants to end Taker's.
I like your thought process on attempting to connect Taker and Punk. I think if that was to happen they would have had to sprinkle in some seeds ahead of time about what would make Taker want to do that. I think Jericho/Ziggler would be awesome.

As for saying Taker is being selfish, I am not the most knowledgeable about backstage stuff, but from everything I have ever heard Taker takes care of the young guys. Hell he barely ever fights for the belt. I don't think its being selfish. Besides, I think most fans, even the older ones, would be upset if Taker lost.

Reaper, we also were wondering last night what is going to happen at the house shows. If they were going to make Punk lose it I wish they had him win and then lose it to the Rock at Chamber. Then you could stick in the wrinkle of Taker and connect Taker and Punk.

It is pretty difficult to build any fear of Taker losing. Killing Punk like this only makes it worse. You already have an obvious finish coming in the main event(Cena/Rock).
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You could have Punk beat him, which would establish him in a way that beating Rock at the Rumble wouldn't have. It's "the streak" after all, all the immortal/magical gobbledygook, and a win there would be huge. But as big a Punk fan as I am, if the streak ever ends (and should it at this point?) is he really the right guy for it? He's an established (semi-)main eventer, and he's 35.

And I don't know what putting him in the match just to continue the streak does for him going forward. He's lost the title streak already. Does a mania loss do him any good at all.

Seeing where they go with him tonight is literally the only reason I'm watching. I could not possibly care less about Cena and Rock. I've always been a big Rock fan, but it being Cena again just kills my interest (and yes, I knew it was coming, months ago). I don't need to see back and forth juvenile jokes. The good thing about the Punk/Rock build was that Rock did his schtick, Punk was serious as a heart attack, and he got Rock serious by the end. Cena just can't do that. It's all fart jokes with him.
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Yeah, this Rock Cena feud is going to play out as predictable as it did the last time. What will Ryback do for Mania? Something with the Shield?
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Yeah, this Rock Cena feud is going to play out as predictable as it did the last time. What will Ryback do for Mania? Something with the Shield?
Jericho, according to Meltzer.

I'm liking the idea of the lights out as a swerve of some kind last night more and more. Have Punk come on tonight and announce The Shield wasn't even in the building and that Vince totally screwed him. Good angry promo.

Not sure how you could tie Undertaker to that, though. He has no reason to attack the Rock that I can think of, so there's some logic holes.
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Punk NEEDED to leave last night as the champion and face The Taker at WM and beat him.
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