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Old 04-18-2005, 09:55 AM  
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ATTN Firefox Users!

Mozilla flaws could allow attacks, data access

Multiple vulnerabilities that could allow an attacker to install malicious code or steal personal data have been discovered in the Mozilla Suite and the Firefox open-source browser.

Details of the nine flaws were published on Mozilla's security Web site over the weekend.

Ian Latter, senior security consultant at Internet security specialist Pure Hacking, said most of the vulnerabilities are based on the way the applications handle JavaScript.

Read the full story HERE.
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Old 04-18-2005, 11:33 AM   #16
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Security flaws I can recall...

Firefox - a few
Internet Explorer - 19237362683198371238127312893712381273817
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Old 04-18-2005, 11:34 AM   #17
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The difference is that the issue is already fixed, if it was MS they would first bury their heads in the sand for 6 months after a someone reported the flaw to them, then when it is open to the public they would bitch about how the people who leaked it are the real issue, and then if you are lucky they might fix it 3 months later...
I've NEVER been bitten by MS not releasing a fix on time. Why? Because I've generally secured to the point that such vulnerabilities don't affect me...
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Old 04-18-2005, 11:39 AM   #18
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Once IE comes pre-packaged with all the features I want, i'll switch back to them. Although few and far between, i've experienced problems with certain websites using Firefox.
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Old 04-18-2005, 11:51 AM   #19
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Once IE comes pre-packaged with all the features I want, i'll switch back to them. Although few and far between, i've experienced problems with certain websites using Firefox.
tab-browsing is the biggie...if you want it, it's firefox...if you don't care (like me) then IE works ok...
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Old 04-18-2005, 11:53 AM   #20
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I've NEVER been bitten by MS not releasing a fix on time. Why? Because I've generally secured to the point that such vulnerabilities don't affect me...
I think most of the people who are affected by these security problems simply don't take any reasonable steps to prepare. They probably have their computer plugged right into the cable modem, no firewall, no router, never update their OS or browser, visit shady websites, leave their computer on (connected) to the web all the time, use Kazaa and other notorious spyware farms, etc.
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Old 04-18-2005, 11:55 AM   #21
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I've NEVER been bitten by MS not releasing a fix on time. Why? Because I've generally secured to the point that such vulnerabilities don't affect me...
I just don't care what browser someone uses, I just like that their is options again. When all things are equal, I will chose the multiplatform application over the MS only option, but thats because I hope to move to linux at home at some point in time.
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Old 04-18-2005, 12:06 PM   #22
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I just don't care what browser someone uses, I just like that their is options again. When all things are equal, I will chose the multiplatform application over the MS only option, but thats because I hope to move to linux at home at some point in time.
Its a pain in the ass for web developers, though.

From what I understand, Firefox sticks with the fully compliant HTML spec, and MS does not. I don't know much about that, but thats what i've heard from my developer buds/co-workers.
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Old 04-18-2005, 12:14 PM   #23
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I think most of the people who are affected by these security problems simply don't take any reasonable steps to prepare. They probably have their computer plugged right into the cable modem, no firewall, no router, never update their OS or browser, visit shady websites, leave their computer on (connected) to the web all the time, use Kazaa and other notorious spyware farms, etc.
Yep.

And in those cases, using Firefox ain't gonna help them one damn bit.
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Old 04-18-2005, 12:14 PM   #24
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Its a pain in the ass for web developers, though.

From what I understand, Firefox sticks with the fully compliant HTML spec, and MS does not. I don't know much about that, but thats what i've heard from my developer buds/co-workers.
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Old 04-18-2005, 12:16 PM   #25
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Its a pain in the ass for web developers, though.

From what I understand, Firefox sticks with the fully compliant HTML spec, and MS does not. I don't know much about that, but thats what i've heard from my developer buds/co-workers.
No, it's not a pain in the ass for developers.

Internet Explorer is FULLY compliant with all of the major standards, namely HTML 4.0 and SSL/TLS.

The problem IS the developers themselves. They want to write flashy little applets in Java, or ASP code, or Flash movies.

That's NOT IE'S FAULT.
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Old 04-18-2005, 12:17 PM   #26
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Its a pain in the ass for web developers, though.

From what I understand, Firefox sticks with the fully compliant HTML spec, and MS does not. I don't know much about that, but thats what i've heard from my developer buds/co-workers.
You're on the right track.

It's not so much about HTML. Most modern browser render HTML fine. It's really more about CSS and the DOM. Firefox, Safari, Opera, and most every other major modern browser attempts to render CSS to the spec, and perform DOM behaviors as spec'd, too. IE, though, chooses to implement the DOM in it's own way in many cases. IE 6, when it came out, was pretty advanced as far as it's CSS support. However, it hasn't received an update to it's CSS rendering engine since it first came out (which was what, four years ago?). Now, it is way, way behind the other browsers, which makes it difficult to deal with. Microsoft has said they don't plan any significant updates to the CSS rendering engine for Longhorn and IE7, either -- they don't have time, because they need to focus on security flaws. Basically, IE is holding web developers to technology circa about 1998. The CSS spec and DOM have been in place for years, but until IE implements them in their entirety and to the spec, it will always be a hassle, because we web developers have to go back through our code and add exceptions just for IE. If IE was compliant with the specs, code would be virtually guaranteed to work in all browsers.

IE is a fine browser, as long as you don't want the web to advance any beyond where it is today.
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Old 04-18-2005, 12:18 PM   #27
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No, it's not a pain in the ass for developers.

Internet Explorer is FULLY compliant with all of the major standards, namely HTML 4.0 and SSL/TLS.

The problem IS the developers themselves. They want to write flashy little applets in Java, or ASP code, or Flash movies.

That's NOT IE'S FAULT.
Sorry, you are 100% wrong here. IE is not fully complaint with any version of XHTML, or any version of CSS.

We're no talking about Java, ASP, or Flash -- we're talking about the basic W3C standards. IE is NOT complaint. I'll be happy to provide proof if you require it.
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Old 04-18-2005, 12:19 PM   #28
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You're on the right track.

It's not so much about HTML. Most modern browser render HTML fine. It's really more about CSS and the DOM. Firefox, Safari, Opera, and most every other major modern browser attempts to render CSS to the spec, and perform DOM behaviors as spec'd, too. IE, though, chooses to implement the DOM in it's own way in many cases. IE 6, when it came out, was pretty advanced as far as it's CSS support. However, it hasn't received an update to it's CSS rendering engine since it first came out (which was what, four years ago?). Now, it is way, way behind the other browsers, which makes it difficult to deal with. Microsoft has said they don't plan any significant updates to the CSS rendering engine for Longhorn and IE7, either -- they don't have time, because they need to focus on security flaws. Basically, IE is holding web developers to technology circa about 1998. The CSS spec and DOM have been in place for years, but until IE implements them in their entirety and to the spec, it will always be a hassle, because we web developers have to go back through our code and add exceptions just for IE. If IE was compliant with the specs, code would be virtually guaranteed to work in all browsers.

IE is a fine browser, as long as you don't want the web to advance any beyond where it is today.
Is CSS a STANDARD, or is it an agreed-upon convention, like Java?
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Old 04-18-2005, 12:20 PM   #29
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No, it's not a pain in the ass for developers.

Internet Explorer is FULLY compliant with all of the major standards, namely HTML 4.0 and SSL/TLS.

The problem IS the developers themselves. They want to write flashy little applets in Java, or ASP code, or Flash movies.

That's NOT IE'S FAULT.
Like I said..I'm not too sure about it, because i'm not a developer.

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It's not so much about HTML. Most modern browser render HTML fine. It's really more about CSS and the DOM. Firefox, Safari, Opera, and most every other major modern browser attempts to render CSS to the spec, and perform DOM behaviors as spec'd, too. IE, though, chooses to implement the DOM in it's own way in many cases. IE 6, when it came out, was pretty advanced as far as it's CSS support. However, it hasn't received an update to it's CSS rendering engine since it first came out (which was what, four years ago?). Now, it is way, way behind the other browsers, which makes it difficult to deal with. Microsoft has said they don't plan any significant updates to the CSS rendering engine for Longhorn and IE7, either -- they don't have time, because they need to focus on security flaws. Basically, IE is holding web developers to technology circa about 1998. The CSS spec and DOM have been in place for years, but until IE implements them in their entirety and to the spec, it will always be a hassle, because we web developers have to go back through our code and add exceptions just for IE. If IE was compliant with the specs, code would be virtually guaranteed to work in all browsers.
So who is right..rufus or jcroft? I do know that MS rarely updates Internet Explorer, save for a security hole here and there.
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Speaking of Java...why do java apps run so much faster in Linux, over Windows??
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