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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

Frazod · 05-24-2010, 09:33 AM

I guess in the end this show was sort of like the movie The Others, just set on an island instead of in a creepy old mansion.

patteeu · 05-24-2010, 09:43 AM

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One thing I'm a bit confused about is the significance (or non-significance, if you will) of Jack's son. He only existed in the "purgatory" realm, and Juliet was his mother, and Juliet and Jack seemed happily married, and then BOOM there's Sawyer and Juliet making out by the candy machine and the kid's just gone.

Was the kid just a reflection of Jack's desire to have a normal life? Or Juliet's? While watching I wondered if the kid would end up being an older version of Aaron, but that didn't happen.

I'm so confused.

Great ending, though.

Jack and Juliet were divorced/separated in the flash sideways world.

Huffmeister · 05-24-2010, 09:45 AM

I wrote this somewhere else about the "unsolved mysteries":

And in a way, it was almost like the writers telling us that the unanswered questions didn't matter. All we need to know is that there really is a struggle between good and evil, and that the choices we make during our lives really DO MATTER. But when we die, those choices ultimately don't matter, and that there is a chance for redemption for everyone if we are able to work through it, accept it, and let go. Everything else - all of the unanswered questions, the fates of everyone else - don't really matter. They're just baggage that we, as viewers, need to let go in order to move on. So, in a way, it was a cop-out for not explaining everything. But it was about the best cop-out that they could have come up with, and the more I think about it, the more I really, REALLY like it. Because the show is ultimately about the characters and not the mysteries.

And I think you're 100% wrong if you think Jack didn't survive the Oceanic 815 crash.

EDIT: What happened, HAPPENED. (Except for the sideways flashes this season, which was purgatory.)

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 09:56 AM

You guys can tell me I'm "wrong" all you want.

It won't make any of you right.

The entire show, from the second Jack found himself in the jungle to the second he saw him lying in the jungle at the end, was all about Jack.

Jack was Jacob.

The MIB didn't have a name because he represented every obstacle Jack faced in his life. Jack was a "fixer" and in his mind, the entire show was a way to "fix" everyone's lives. There was no electromagnetism. The "Light" was Heaven (or the equivalent).

The reason the island was at the bottom of the sea was that it was the only way in Jack's mind that the plane would be safe and everyone could live their in happiness because in reality, the plane crashed and they were all dead.

I haven't read anyone elses interpretation of the show and regardless of what they say, this is the way that I interpret it.

And in the end, after all six seasons played out in Jack's head, he walked into the Light with his father.

Frazod · 05-24-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Jack and Juliet were divorced/separated in the flash sideways world.

Oh shit, that's right. Duh.

Huffmeister · 05-24-2010, 09:59 AM

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I haven't read anyone elses interpretation of the show and regardless of what they say, this is the way that I interpret it.

And you are wrong

Chiefnj2 · 05-24-2010, 10:01 AM

When did the lostees decide on creating the alt-timeline to meet each other and go into the afterlife together?

**Reaper16** · 05-24-2010, 10:03 AM

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When did the lostees decide on creating the alt-timeline to meet each other and go into the afterlife together?

Because people need other people and love and stuff and blah blah new age psuedo-spiritual intellectually bankrupt message of the show

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 10:06 AM

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And you are wrong

No, I'm not.

And the person that said I was wrong because he was wearing different clothes, I'll ask you this:

When you dream at night, do you always wear the same clothes as you wore that day?

He imagined it all.

You can chose to believe whatever you chose about the ending, which is why the producers left it ambiguous.

Considering the entire philosophical journey that we were taken on for 6 years, I hardly think the ending was meant to be literal.

But believe whatever you must.

Huffmeister · 05-24-2010, 10:09 AM

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Because people need other people and love and stuff and blah blah new age psuedo-spiritual intellectually bankrupt message of the show

Despite the fact that you admit to have only watched part of the first and last seasons, I had a feeling it wouldn't prevent you from turning your nose up at it.

**Baby Lee** · 05-24-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I'm not.

And the person that said I was wrong because he was wearing different clothes, I'll ask you this:

When you dream at night, do you always wear the same clothes as you wore that day?

He imagined it all.

You can chose to believe whatever you chose about the ending, which is why the producers left it ambiguous.

Considering the entire philosophical journey that we were taken on for 6 years, I hardly think the ending was meant to be literal.

But believe whatever you must.

Here's my grand theory, the entire 6 years is nothing more than a television show filmed for a channel called ABC which airs it along with commercials for pecuniary gain.

Chiefnj2 · 05-24-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I'm not.

And the person that said I was wrong because he was wearing different clothes, I'll ask you this:

When you dream at night, do you always wear the same clothes as you wore that day?

He imagined it all.

You can chose to believe whatever you chose about the ending, which is why the producers left it ambiguous.

Considering the entire philosophical journey that we were taken on for 6 years, I hardly think the ending was meant to be literal.

But believe whatever you must.

I'm not sure you are completely wrong. I think the "candidates" all imagined it at the same time when the plane crashed. None of them were ready to accept death and they all created this universe together to help each other move on. The focus was on Jack though.

"This is a place that you--that you all made together--that you could find one another. The most important part of your life was the time you spent with these people. That's why all of you are here. Nobody does it alone, Jack. You needed them and they needed you."

Huffmeister · 05-24-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And the person that said I was wrong because he was wearing different clothes, I'll ask you this:

When you dream at night, do you always wear the same clothes as you wore that day?

He imagined it all.

You can chose to believe whatever you chose about the ending, which is why the producers left it ambiguous.

That's cool that you interpreted it the way you did, I just didn't get your comment that you didn't understand why other CPers couldn't see it, too. You implied that you were right and everyone else was wrong (and an idiot for not seeing your truth). I'm just disagreeing.

And if it was all in Jack's mind, based on your theory, it could have all been in Vincent's mind. I think there's a lot of clues and evidence that you're glossing over.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-24-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cankerskull

That's cool that you interpreted it the way you did, I just didn't get your comment that you didn't understand why other CPers couldn't see it, too. You implied that you were right and everyone else was wrong (and an idiot for not seeing your truth). I'm just disagreeing.

And if it was all in Jack's mind, based on your theory, it could have all been in Vincent's mind. I think there's a lot of clues and evidence that you're glossing over.

I didn't make that comment as an insult. I made the comment because to me, it was as clear as the nose on Jack's face.

I apologize if I offended.

PhillyChiefFan · 05-24-2010, 10:22 AM

I thought it was a fitting ending, didn't answer all the questions but it did bring home the point to the show, relationships and redemption, good and evil anything you care to draw from it.

Personally, I believe they survived the crash. The numbers drew them to the island to redeem themselves for the things they had done in life. One by one, they died on the island Jack was the last to have his epiphany, and they were all in the flashsideways waiting for Jack. When Jack began to die his two story lines crossed, hence his bleeding neck.

He woke John Locke up after surgery, and right before surgery he said to Locke "If I can fix you Mr. Locke, then I can be at peace." And he did, waking Locke up in the process, that's why Locke said you don't have a son, and I hope someone does for you what you did for me. Meaning Jack woke him up to the truth, and he knew right then where he was, but Jack didn't. The same realization that Sun and Jin came to in the hospital.

As for the smoke monster, I think the reason he had no name was because he represented all the people who were trapped in between life and death and couldn't move on. Which is why you can see faces in the smoke monster and hear voices in the jungle before he strikes. Jacob was the gatekeeper to the afterlife

Hurley and Ben were Jacob/Richard Alpert for the island for maybe YEARS after Jack died, but when they died or found someone to replace them, they learned of their purgatory before Jack did, hence why they were waiting for Jack. That's also why Christian said "they're (purgatory or whatever he called it) could last a nanosecond or could last centuries." Jack's just took longer.

Ben began to understand the moment Rosseau told him that Alex looked at him like a father, he started to cry right then, because IMO he understood that was his epiphany. And wanted to wait for Alex and Rosseau before moving on, also I believe there is a part of him that felt he wasn't deservant to cross with them. Lepedis, Miles, Charlotte, Daniel Whidmore, everyone else, wasn't ready to cross over.

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth I really enjoyed the whole fate element to everyone showing up to the concert and how all their paths met again, very similar to what brought them all together in the first place leading up to the plane crash.

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05-24-2010, 09:33 AM	#5581
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Huffmeister Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9904277	I wrote this somewhere else about the "unsolved mysteries": And in a way, it was almost like the writers telling us that the unanswered questions didn't matter. All we need to know is that there really is a struggle between good and evil, and that the choices we make during our lives really DO MATTER. But when we die, those choices ultimately don't matter, and that there is a chance for redemption for everyone if we are able to work through it, accept it, and let go. Everything else - all of the unanswered questions, the fates of everyone else - don't really matter. They're just baggage that we, as viewers, need to let go in order to move on. So, in a way, it was a cop-out for not explaining everything. But it was about the best cop-out that they could have come up with, and the more I think about it, the more I really, REALLY like it. Because the show is ultimately about the characters and not the mysteries. And I think you're 100% wrong if you think Jack didn't survive the Oceanic 815 crash. EDIT: What happened, HAPPENED. (Except for the sideways flashes this season, which was purgatory.) Last edited by Huffmeister; 05-24-2010 at 09:57 AM..
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05-24-2010, 09:56 AM	#5584
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	You guys can tell me I'm "wrong" all you want. It won't make any of you right. The entire show, from the second Jack found himself in the jungle to the second he saw him lying in the jungle at the end, was all about Jack. Jack was Jacob. The MIB didn't have a name because he represented every obstacle Jack faced in his life. Jack was a "fixer" and in his mind, the entire show was a way to "fix" everyone's lives. There was no electromagnetism. The "Light" was Heaven (or the equivalent). The reason the island was at the bottom of the sea was that it was the only way in Jack's mind that the plane would be safe and everyone could live their in happiness because in reality, the plane crashed and they were all dead. I haven't read anyone elses interpretation of the show and regardless of what they say, this is the way that I interpret it. And in the end, after all six seasons played out in Jack's head, he walked into the Light with his father.
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05-24-2010, 10:01 AM	#5587
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05-24-2010, 10:22 AM	#5595
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $4601139	I thought it was a fitting ending, didn't answer all the questions but it did bring home the point to the show, relationships and redemption, good and evil anything you care to draw from it. Personally, I believe they survived the crash. The numbers drew them to the island to redeem themselves for the things they had done in life. One by one, they died on the island Jack was the last to have his epiphany, and they were all in the flashsideways waiting for Jack. When Jack began to die his two story lines crossed, hence his bleeding neck. He woke John Locke up after surgery, and right before surgery he said to Locke "If I can fix you Mr. Locke, then I can be at peace." And he did, waking Locke up in the process, that's why Locke said you don't have a son, and I hope someone does for you what you did for me. Meaning Jack woke him up to the truth, and he knew right then where he was, but Jack didn't. The same realization that Sun and Jin came to in the hospital. As for the smoke monster, I think the reason he had no name was because he represented all the people who were trapped in between life and death and couldn't move on. Which is why you can see faces in the smoke monster and hear voices in the jungle before he strikes. Jacob was the gatekeeper to the afterlife Hurley and Ben were Jacob/Richard Alpert for the island for maybe YEARS after Jack died, but when they died or found someone to replace them, they learned of their purgatory before Jack did, hence why they were waiting for Jack. That's also why Christian said "they're (purgatory or whatever he called it) could last a nanosecond or could last centuries." Jack's just took longer. Ben began to understand the moment Rosseau told him that Alex looked at him like a father, he started to cry right then, because IMO he understood that was his epiphany. And wanted to wait for Alex and Rosseau before moving on, also I believe there is a part of him that felt he wasn't deservant to cross with them. Lepedis, Miles, Charlotte, Daniel Whidmore, everyone else, wasn't ready to cross over. Just my thoughts, for what it's worth I really enjoyed the whole fate element to everyone showing up to the concert and how all their paths met again, very similar to what brought them all together in the first place leading up to the plane crash.
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