Chiefs **Official "Charles doesn't get the ball" whining thread**

**petegz28** · 09-19-2010, 04:31 PM

Just make this a sticky cause we are going to hear it all season long.

My take is that after watching the Browns game, Charles is a backup. Yes, he has the potential to bust one at any time. It's his lack of production, and to an extent play calls when he is in, between his big runs that is concerning. I still contend Charles will get the ball more in games as the season progresses. Cleveland actually brought a pretty good run defense today. Aside from a couple nice carries, one meaningless at the end of the 1st half, by Charles, he was stuffed and stuffed easily. And some of it was his own fault. He has to realize that if he has to start dancing in the backfield it's time to lower your head and get what you can.

I don't think it's that he needs more carries, he needs to be used better. We can't go to him just because he is in the game. Cleveland seem to pick up on that and shut it down. There were no screens to speak of today which was disappointing as I think that is where Charles can be most effective.

**DeezNutz** · 09-19-2010, 04:36 PM

Let me get this straight: "his lack of production between big runs"? Really?

**Reaper16** · 09-19-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I don't have a problem with Jones getting carries. He improves this team. I do have severe problems with Charles not being the #1 RB, with not getting a small majority of the touches, with only using Charles on plays where it is obvious that he'll get the rock. Charles can play on all three downs. He's the team's best offensive threat, he can be effective in the passing game, he blocks for the QB well. Charles will be all the more effective when he's used in a way that isn't predictable. When Charles does come in than the entire defense knows it will be a run play. And if not, then Charles is just a decoy, which is even worse

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Absolutely. And for a guy who has aspirations to start to be limited to a backup role, with few chances to demonstrate that he has earned the starting spot, what is going to happen? Naturally, he will begin to press. He'll begin to try and hit a home run every time.

The Chiefs are absolutely using their best offensive player incorrectly. Every single thing that you like about Charles is diminished in his current role and everything you don't like about Charles (tentative stutter-steps, fumbles b/c of no rhythm) has the potential to be exacerbated by his current role.

Reposting stuff from other threads about the subject.

**petegz28** · 09-19-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Let me get this straight: "his lack of production between big runs"? Really?

Yea. So far this year he either seems to bust a big run or get tackled for a loss. He is not going to power the ball ahead. Maybe it was the Cleveland defense today but he didn't seem to do much between his 2 runs and the catch. Some of that is playcalling as I said.

**DeezNutz** · 09-19-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Yea. So far this year he either seems to bust a big run or get tackled for a loss. He is not going to power the ball ahead. Maybe it was the Cleveland defense today but he didn't seem to do much between his 2 runs and the catch. Some of that is playcalling as I said.

How did he do in the starter's role last year with a larger sample size?

**Bane** · 09-19-2010, 04:55 PM

Priest31kc · 09-19-2010, 04:56 PM

Jamaal Charles last year = 190 carries, 1,120 yards, 7 TDs, 5.9 average. Least amount of carries to get to 1,100 yds ever. Enough said.

**petegz28** · 09-19-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

How did he do in the starter's role last year with a larger sample size?

He did good. I am not saying he didn't. But some of the decisions I have seen him make this year are concerning. Not overly, but concerning nonetheless. And again, I will say a 3rd time, I think it's not so much he isn't starting but how he is being used when he is in. Some of it is on him, some of it is on the coaches.

Valiant · 09-19-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Yea. So far this year he either seems to bust a big run or get tackled for a loss. He is not going to power the ball ahead. Maybe it was the Cleveland defense today but he didn't seem to do much between his 2 runs and the catch. Some of that is playcalling as I said.

Really most of his stuffs seem to come from obvious running situations where they stack the box to stop him.. Instead of p/action or straight pass we try to run it..

It is the playcalling... The touches need to be reversed to where they are at now.. Charles should be getting 15-20 touches runs/catches a game and Jones 10-15..

**Bane** · 09-19-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc

Jamaal Charles last year = 190 carries, 1,120 yards, 7 TDs, 5.9 average. Least amount of carries to get to 1,100 yds ever. Enough said.

I have to agree with that.

texrose05 · 09-19-2010, 05:13 PM

IIRC, if you took out his big run in the first game i believe Charles STILLLLL averaged more than jones so i am not sure why people believe this load....

mcaj22 · 09-19-2010, 05:21 PM

I cannot believe some of you are brainwashing yourselves into this system and are looking past the most talented and gifted player on the offense, and most likely the entire ****ing team.

This is like the Miami Heat benching Dwayne Wade and having him come off the bench as the 6th man.

**petegz28** · 09-19-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Really most of his stuffs seem to come from obvious running situations where they stack the box to stop him.. Instead of p/action or straight pass we try to run it..

It is the playcalling... The touches need to be reversed to where they are at now.. Charles should be getting 15-20 touches runs/catches a game and Jones 10-15..

Well I won't argue that the playcalling seems to be less than good when he is in the game. Problem is Jones is a better pass blocker, so it lends itself to the trend that when JC is in the game he is going to get the ball. That's a tough situation for a coach. You want to get JC in the game but you don't want to telegraph that he is going to get the ball and you want your QB getting the best pass protection he can get. It's a tough situation.

Sure-Oz · 09-19-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

He did good. I am not saying he didn't. But some of the decisions I have seen him make this year are concerning. Not overly, but concerning nonetheless. And again, I will say a 3rd time, I think it's not so much he isn't starting but how he is being used when he is in. Some of it is on him, some of it is on the coaches.

I am not concerned with Charles, at all....

He needs the ball 22 times a game damnit, he is a chris johnson in a chiefs uni!

texrose05 · 09-19-2010, 05:37 PM

good analogy mcaj22..

listen dewayne, we are going to bring you off the bench because you are not consistent enough.. Sure you drop 40 points a game, but they come in spurts.. we are going to start joeblow because he consistently averages 4 points a quarter....

poor charles, we have to "take away" his big runs to justify not starting him lol... and for the record, i love tj, just wish for a better split, at least mix it up.. sucks that teams are starting to learn to stack the box when charles comes in...

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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2834127	Official "Charles doesn't get the ball" whining thread Just make this a sticky cause we are going to hear it all season long. My take is that after watching the Browns game, Charles is a backup. Yes, he has the potential to bust one at any time. It's his lack of production, and to an extent play calls when he is in, between his big runs that is concerning. I still contend Charles will get the ball more in games as the season progresses. Cleveland actually brought a pretty good run defense today. Aside from a couple nice carries, one meaningless at the end of the 1st half, by Charles, he was stuffed and stuffed easily. And some of it was his own fault. He has to realize that if he has to start dancing in the backfield it's time to lower your head and get what you can. I don't think it's that he needs more carries, he needs to be used better. We can't go to him just because he is in the game. Cleveland seem to pick up on that and shut it down. There were no screens to speak of today which was disappointing as I think that is where Charles can be most effective.
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texrose05 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	IIRC, if you took out his big run in the first game i believe Charles STILLLLL averaged more than jones so i am not sure why people believe this load....
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09-19-2010, 05:21 PM	#12
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	I cannot believe some of you are brainwashing yourselves into this system and are looking past the most talented and gifted player on the offense, and most likely the entire ****ing team. This is like the Miami Heat benching Dwayne Wade and having him come off the bench as the 6th man.
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09-19-2010, 05:37 PM	#15
texrose05 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	good analogy mcaj22.. listen dewayne, we are going to bring you off the bench because you are not consistent enough.. Sure you drop 40 points a game, but they come in spurts.. we are going to start joeblow because he consistently averages 4 points a quarter.... poor charles, we have to "take away" his big runs to justify not starting him lol... and for the record, i love tj, just wish for a better split, at least mix it up.. sucks that teams are starting to learn to stack the box when charles comes in...
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