Rap Sheet: Talks With Alex Smith Not Progressing Well

[CaliforniaChief]

Team that will consider a 1st-round QB: The #Chiefs. Negotiations with Alex Smith aren’t progressing well. Must keep long-term options open

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) May 5, 2014

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Fair based on what metric? If he signs a "fair deal" based on elite-level QBs, then yes, the server will be appropriately tested.

I'm calling $16MM per for 5. $80MM.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by SNR

It's for one year. That's the point.

It's much better to pay that for one year than to offer him a long-term contract that he can't live up to.

Year 2 is a significant bump (120%), and year 3 is even bigger (144%).

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I'm calling $16MM per for 5. $80MM.

About $10 million too much over the life of the contract, but liveable. Certainly more liveable than $18-20 million, like the Flacco and Cutler contracts.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by SNR

It's for one year. That's the point.

It's much better to pay that for one year than to offer him a long-term contract that he can't live up to.

Yeah it is ONE year. All 18 million would have to be accounted for on the 2015 cap. Right about the time that Houston and Berry will have to be paid or lost. That number would be huge against the cap.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

We're getting an early jump on Step 2 of my patented 7 Simple Steps to avoid Ever Drafting A QB in the First Round:

Step 2: With a high 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value.
- 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA.
- 2B: Continue 2A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Yes, but you guys are posting as if those people have somehow been proven wrong when they haven't. You don't know what the hangup is, so pointing to Smith is premature, at best.

No, we're not.

In fact, several of us used the "if true" caveat.

It's a ****ing discussion board. Speculation is the name of the game.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

John Clayton was on on NFL Live and said he talked to Reid who stated he was confident the deal would get done and he wasnt concerned about it. I seriously doubt Smith is either.

This place is so ****ing reactionary its hilarious.

Whats will be funny is when Smith signs a fair extension and this place melts down anyway.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...ign-alex-smith

The San Francisco 49ers ultimately added five players to their roster in exchange for dealing a quarterback they no longer wanted to the Chiefs.

Now it's Kansas City's turn to decide if they want Alex Smith around for the long haul.

Amid word that contract negotiations with Smith's camp aren't progressing well, coach Andy Reid joined NFL Network's "NFL AM" on Tuesday to suggest that his starting signal-caller wouldn't become a free agent after this season.

"Well, there's open communication between both parties. Now, I'm not in that business anymore -- that's (general manager) John Dorsey's side of it -- but there's been open communication," Reid said.

"I've always believed that if there's open communication, then normally good things happen. So, I'm sure something will get done. I can't put a time frame on that, but I'm sure something will get done."

Dorsey also told SiriusXM NFL Radio's Alex Marvez last week that Smith and the Chiefs were "going back and forth."

"Eventually, as (with) all negotiations, there will be a medium point where both sides agree. Time will move on and we'll go to the next project," Dorsey said. "This thing will go on for a little bit. There's a degree of patience here. There's no reason to rush."

Despite drafting rookie passer Aaron Murray, the Chiefs sound interested in re-signing Smith. We expect a deal to happen, but at Kansas City's pace and Kansas City's price -- not Smith's.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by listopencil

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...ign-alex-smith

The San Francisco 49ers ultimately added five players to their roster in exchange for dealing a quarterback they no longer wanted to the Chiefs.

Now it's Kansas City's turn to decide if they want Alex Smith around for the long haul.

Amid word that contract negotiations with Smith's camp aren't progressing well, coach Andy Reid joined NFL Network's "NFL AM" on Tuesday to suggest that his starting signal-caller wouldn't become a free agent after this season.

"Well, there's open communication between both parties. Now, I'm not in that business anymore -- that's (general manager) John Dorsey's side of it -- but there's been open communication," Reid said.

"I've always believed that if there's open communication, then normally good things happen. So, I'm sure something will get done. I can't put a time frame on that, but I'm sure something will get done."

Dorsey also told SiriusXM NFL Radio's Alex Marvez last week that Smith and the Chiefs were "going back and forth."

"Eventually, as (with) all negotiations, there will be a medium point where both sides agree. Time will move on and we'll go to the next project," Dorsey said. "This thing will go on for a little bit. There's a degree of patience here. There's no reason to rush."

Despite drafting rookie passer Aaron Murray, the Chiefs sound interested in re-signing Smith. We expect a deal to happen, but at Kansas City's pace and Kansas City's price -- not Smith's.

Yup. Thanks for the link.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Year 2 is a significant bump (120%), and year 3 is even bigger (144%).

So what? Smith is going to command $16+ million PER YEAR if we give in to a Jay Cutler contract.

I'd rather pay him 18 now and keep the next years at 15 and below. Makes a lot more sense than taking it up the ass for a longterm contract now.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yeah it is ONE year. All 18 million would have to be accounted for on the 2015 cap. Right about the time that Houston and Berry will have to be paid or lost. That number would be huge against the cap.

Versus accounting for all 16 million each year?

It's really not that big of a deal. We can manage that just fine for one season.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by SNR

So what? Smith is going to command $16+ million PER YEAR if we give in to a Jay Cutler contract.

I'd rather pay him 18 now and keep the next years at 15 and below. Makes a lot more sense than taking it up the ass for a longterm contract now.

Years 2 and 3 of a franchise tag are significant cost bumps, not cost savings, so I'm not sure where you're getting $15 million from. If he plays well enough under a franchise tag, why would you expect him to take such a big discount at that point?

[O.city]

Like just passing by is saying, it's a risk. Franchise him, he plays at a high level you're probably gonna have to overpay. Overpay now, he sucks, you're boned.

If he and Andy Reid are the pair and match they'd have us believe, I wouldn't have a problem locking him up

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Years 2 and 3 of a franchise tag are significant cost bumps, not cost savings, so I'm not sure where you're getting $15 million from. If he plays well enough under a franchise tag, why would you expect him to take such a big discount at that point?

Who said anything about tagging him the year after? If his agent is still being a bitch and Alex doesn't play up to the money in 2015, then let him walk.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Years 2 and 3 of a franchise tag are significant cost bumps, not cost savings, so I'm not sure where you're getting $15 million from. If he plays well enough under a franchise tag, why would you expect him to take such a big discount at that point?

2014 7.5 (when he's 31)
2015 17 (when he's 32)
2016 20 (when he's 33)

That's a total of about 45 over 3 years...and we move on to a younger, cheaper option once he turns 34.

If he blows out an acl...gets another concussion...tears his throwing shoulder a third time...or he underperformed, the cost goes down.

Can ANYONE tell me why we should sign him to a long term deal at 16-19 million per year, again?

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by BossChief

2014 7.5 (when he's 31)
2015 17 (when he's 32)
2016 20 (when he's 33)

That's a total of about 45 over 3 years...and we move on to a younger, cheaper option once he turns 34.

If he blows out an acl...gets another concussion...tears his throwing shoulder a third time...or he underperformed, the cost goes down.

Can ANYONE tell me why we should sign him to a long term deal at 16-19 million per year, again?

He just turned 30.