So how do you do a coinflip among 3 teams?

[cmh6476]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/order

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by cmh6476

yeah but I think the playoff tiebreakers and selection tiebreakers are seperate and non-binding. Not sure of that, but the way nfl.com lists tiebreakers they are separate entities.

So I wouldn't see why Oakland couldn't finish last in the division yet still pick behind a division-rival in the draft...

From the draft tie breaking rules:

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Those publications are wrong. Oakland has the division tiebreaker on us because our record is better in common games. That is used before the conference record.

Apparently it's not set in stone, because numerous publications are reporting that KC owns the tiebreaker over Oakland due to conference record, and these are updated reports from today. At this point you are the only one I've read that says Oakland has the tiebreaker over KC and will pick before them.

However, NFLN is also reporting that the coinflip for #3 will be between KC and Oakland, the loser flips with Atlanta for #4.

I don't think anyone knows for sure what will happen until Goodell basically decides who he wants to pick 3rd and 4th.

[cdcox]

This procedure would be consistent with how they break ties for the playoffs. Let's say KC, Oakland and the Dolphins all had the same record and were contenders for the 6th seed in the playoffs. You have to break the tie in the division between KC and Oakland before you even consider the Dolphins. That is the way that I read the playoff tiebreakers, and I'm 99.9999% certain that was the intent of who ever wrote the draft tiebreakers. Maybe they will interpret it differently now, but that would essentially be making a new rule on the fly.

[cmh6476]

Originally Posted by cdcox

From the draft tie breaking rules:

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

if thats the case, then atl would be 3 (1-5 in division), kc 4 (3-9 in conference), then oakland (2-4 in division, 4-8 in conference)






to add to the confusion:

Falcons, Oakland, K.C. vie for third draft pick

By CHRIS VIVLAMORE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 12/31/07

This story corrects an earlier version that inaccurately stated the Falcons had clinched the third pick in the 2008 draft.

The Falcons will select third, fourth or fifth in the 2008 NFL draft after a coin flip will be used to break a three-way tie. The date of the tiebreaking coin flip has yet to be announced.

The Falcons are tied with Oakland and Kansas City. All three teams, plus, the New York Jets, finished at 4-12. The Falcons, Raiders and Chiefs finished with identical strengths of schedule. The NFL has no other tie-breaker in the case of three-way ties. The Jets had a tougher strength of schedule than the three other teams and will pick sixth.

Miami (1-15) and St. Louis (3-13) will make the first two picks.

San Francisco and Baltimore both finished 5-11. New England, which owns the 49ers' first-round pick, will select seventh and the Ravens eighth based on strength of schedule.

Seven teams are tied with 7-9 records. Next are four teams at 8-8, including Houston. Since the Falcons receive the Texans' second-round pick from the Matt Schaub trade, they will also make a selection between 16th and 19th in the second round, pending tie-breakers.


2008 DRAFT ORDER

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

(tie) Atlanta/Oakland/Kansas City

6. N.Y. Jets

7. New England (from San Fran.)

8. Baltimore

http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sp...raft_1231.html

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Apparently it's not set in stone, because numerous publications are reporting that KC owns the tiebreaker over Oakland due to conference record, and these are updated reports from today. At this point you are the only one I've read that says Oakland has the tiebreaker over KC and will pick before them.

However, NFLN is also reporting that the coinflip for #3 will be between KC and Oakland, the loser flips with Atlanta for #4.

I don't think anyone knows for sure what will happen until Goodell basically decides who he wants to pick 3rd and 4th.

I agree that the situation is fluid due to some idiocity in the league office. (They already said how they were going to do it). But I wouldn't put any stock in published reports at this time. The Atlanta Journal Constitution published something early on saying that Atlanta would draft 3rd and they had to retract it later.

[cdcox]

No, you cannot apply a division tiebreaker to two teams that are not in the same division. Earlier that AJC report had Atlanta drafting 3rd when they applied the rule like this. They later retracted ther story as you can see.

Originally Posted by cmh6476

if thats the case, then atl would be 3 (1-5 in division), kc 4 (3-9 in conference), then oakland (2-4 in division, 4-8 in conference)






to add to the confusion:



http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sp...raft_1231.html

[cdcox]

I wish I could talk to someone in the league office about this.

[Micjones]

I read today that Oakland will pick 5th and that KC and Atlanta will need the coin toss to determine the 3rd and 4th slots...

[chief52]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I read today that Oakland will pick 5th and that KC and Atlanta will need the coin toss to determine the 3rd and 4th slots...

Yep...

[cmh6476]

this sounds like our fantasy league, where something always comes up you didnt have a rule in place for so you make one up as you go and it is worked into your rules for the following year

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by cmh6476

here, maybe someone can dissect this:

http://east-coast-bias.blogspot.com/...ebreakers.html

The post by Chief Rick in that thread outlines exactly what I've been saying. Anyone who had rigorously followed the tiebreaking procedures as written at nfl.com comes to the same conclusion. I don't know why the league is trying to reinvent things.

[Braincase]

Somebody please pass the !@#$%$#@! tylenol.

[HolmeZz]

Originally Posted by Delano

HolmeZz said the coin flips occur around the combine.

That's usually when it's taken place when there's a tiebreaker between two teams. I have no idea what they'll do to break up a 3 way tie.

Here's an article on the Niners/Raiders flip two years ago:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n16180805

[Mr. Arrowhead]

is anybody else getting confused about where we pick

[Joe Seahawk]

Rock, paper, scissors.