Teicher says it's Brodie time, Huard ruled out next week - Page 3

Zouk · 10-07-2007, 10:44 PM

Huard injured in Chiefs’ 17-7 loss to the Jaguars
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
The Chiefs can only hope it’s not an omen that the Brodie Croyle era officially began on an afternoon as gloomy as any in recent memory.

The skies were dominated by gray clouds that dumped rain in the final moments of a 17-7 loss to Jacksonville at Arrowhead Stadium, but the dark mood had a lot more to do with a feeble offense that did little right and imparted a helpless feeling on the locker room.

The Chiefs narrowly avoided their first home shutout since 1994 on Croyle’s 13-yard touchdown pass to Samie Parker on the game’s final play from scrimmage.

Croyle replaced Damon Huard at quarterback in the fourth quarter. Huard left the game because of what the Chiefs described as a right shoulder injury. They weren’t more specific with details but have ruled Huard out of next week’s game against Cincinnati at Arrowhead.

That means Croyle will start against the Bengals. Knowing coach Herm Edwards’ affinity for Croyle and his skills, the job is probably Croyle’s for the foreseeable future.

Quarterback changes are weird by nature. On some, the earth moves, and others catch people by surprise.

This one falls into the latter category. It caught by surprise some offensive players who weren’t aware of Huard’s injury.

A different voice in the huddle told them everything they needed to know.

“I wasn’t sure what happened with Damon,” Chiefs tackle Damion McIntosh said. “Brodie comes in and tells us the play and said, ‘Let’s get it done here,’ and that was it. There’s no heroic speech he came in there with. We weren’t expecting Joe Montana to walk in there.

“He came in and did what he had to do. We scored a touchdown.”

In the longer term, the Chiefs might need Croyle to do a Montana imitation. Their offense, the second half of last week’s game in San Diego notwithstanding, is that bad.

Croyle takes over at quarterback for a team coming off a historically lousy rushing performance. The Chiefs rushed for 10 yards, the second-lowest total in team history and fewest since they gained zero in a 1965 game against the Broncos.

Their passing game worked a little better but still couldn’t do enough to get them into scoring range more than twice. Dave Rayner missed a 31-yard field-goal attempt on the first possession, and that was it until Croyle guided the touchdown drive in the final moments.

By then, the Jaguars had backed off and were willing to yield the shorter gains as long as they didn’t give Croyle and the Chiefs a big play.

Still, the Chiefs scored a touchdown, and they’ll cling to that as an indication of momentum

“It’s better than a goose egg,” McIntosh said. “But whether it carries over or not, I don’t know. We sure didn’t get any carryover from last week’s game.”

Huard probably would have kept his job if not for the injury. The Chiefs didn’t appear ready to blame him for the offensive mess. But a change at quarterback probably can’t hurt.

Croyle has superior passing skills that make him a decidedly different option from Huard. In theory, those skills will give the Chiefs the chance to expand their offensive repertoire.

If there was ever a team in need of that, the Chiefs are it.

“It’s just a matter of doing it for four quarters instead of for 8 minutes,” Croyle said. “It’s still the same mind-set. You want to go out there and score. You don’t want to go out there and hope we get a field goal or hope you get some good field position. It’s a matter of going out there and wanting to score. If we do that, maybe we can build on it.”

But, as the Chiefs learned in the preseason when Croyle failed to win the job, the ride will be bumpy. He threw three interceptions then, all coming when he forced the ball into places it never should have gone.

He was a wild-eyed risk-taker, something a conservative coach like Edwards couldn’t live with. The Chiefs detected signs that Croyle has mellowed in his fourth-quarter playing time in last month’s game against Chicago and again against the Jaguars.

The Chiefs went three plays and out on Croyle’s first series Sunday, but he methodically worked his way down the field on his second. He fumbled the rain-slicked ball on one play but otherwise operated the Chiefs with a sense of urgency they have sadly lacked most of the season.

“We played that last drive like we wanted to score,” he said. “We were clocking the ball. We weren’t conceding the loss.”

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SPchief · 10-08-2007, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nice rebuttal.

Are you really defending Solari's play calls?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-08-2007, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Don't give me this. Honestly, do you really think that's the case?

Come on man...You can see in a lot of games that there is no plan in this offense we run. It's just simple strategy, same plays over and over. And not only plan, but the coaching staff does a poor job getting the players prepared. One would think this problems would be fixed by now, yet we keep making the same mistakes over and over, ala illegal shifts(once a game) but it's clear the Head coach lacks an offensive imagination. Offense has always been Herms weakness, it always is...Ever since he has been a head coach, his offenses are piss poor.

We run this pee-wee offense right now, and it's not clicking nor boding well with some of the players, Johnson in particular.

So, you think the execution is fine? The players are fine? Over 30 means nothing?

Sorry, I disagree.

BIG TIME.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-08-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

Are you really defending Solari's play calls?

IF the play calls were actually EXECUTED according to plan, I think they'd be fine.

It's very, very difficult for 5 guys over the age of 30 to execute the plays properly, week after week.

Isn't that clear?

The offensive line is in need of a major overhaul and anyone who can't see that is fooling themselves.

SPchief · 10-08-2007, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IF the play calls were actually EXECUTED according to plan, I think they'd be fine.

It's very, very difficult for 5 guys over the age of 30 to execute the plays properly, week after week.

Isn't that clear?

The offensive line is in need of a major overhaul and anyone who can't see that is fooling themselves.

3/5ths of the line is under 30

SPchief · 10-08-2007, 01:50 AM

Keep spinning mec...er Dane

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-08-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

3/4ths of the line is under 30

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

McIntosh: 3/77 = 30
Brian Waters: 2/77 = 30
Weigmann: 7/73 = 34
Welbourne: 3/76 = 31
Turley: 9/75 = 32

Seriously, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Do you even fucking FOLLOW the Chiefs?

CHIEF4EVER · 10-08-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Thanks, moron.

Someone has anger issues. Must be from sucking all that smog in LA, along with a lot of dicks. I think we can call off the insult fest now, mmmmkay?

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How did the Chiefs do in the 6 seasons under Solari prior to Roaf's arrival?

Solari didn't arrive until 1997. We traded for roaf in '02. Do the math.

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Oh, and PS: Roaf sucked in New Orleans. Do you REALLY THINK they'd let a HOF left tackle go with four great seasons ahead of him. For next to NOTHING?

Thanks for playing.

BTW, Roaf didn't suck in Nawlins. He was a Pro Bowler 11 times since 1994. That means he was a Pro Bowler long before he got to us in '02. Thanks for playing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-08-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

Keep spinning mec...er Dane

You're a moron. And you're proving it time and time again.

Thanks for playing.

Keep spinning the wheel!

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-08-2007, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

Someone has anger issues. Must be from sucking all that smog in LA, along with a lot of dicks. I think we can call off the insult fest now, mmmmkay?

Solari didn't arrive until 1997. We traded for roaf in '02. Do the math.

BTW, Roaf didn't suck in Nawlins. He was a Pro Bowler 11 times since 1994. That means he was a Pro Bowler long before he got to us in '02. Thanks for playing.

Count em, Douche.

1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002. What does that equal? SIX!!!

And by the way, little brain, you might have more credibility if you actually had an AMERICAN football player in your avatar.

Thanks for playing.

Oh and PS: Roaf was traded because he SUCKED and was injured.

RedThat · 10-08-2007, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you think the execution is fine? The players are fine? Over 30 means nothing?

Sorry, I disagree.

BIG TIME.

Too be honest with you, at the start of the season, I thought the execution was atrocious. I think it has improved slighty as the season went on...I am not crazy about it, I think it is half assed.

I think if you want to pinpoint on execution, mainly I would say, we are poor at executing our blocks in the running game. That is one of the biggest problems with this team right now. And it continues to be week to week. This coaching staff is driving me nuts because it doesn't seem like their placing much focus on it nor trying to improve the runblocking.

Gonzalez is making his catches, Bowe is making his catches. LJ isn't running as hard mainly because of his attitude and run blocking is bad.

If your going to say execution, pinpoint at the line, then you can also say some of huards throws are off-target as well.

*But this is a reflect of coaching. Imo, this can have ties to coaching. I believe that. it's the coaching staff responsibility to emphasize and focus on whats not working, correct it, so that the next week your better at it. It's all about preparation...Something our coaching staff is porous at.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-08-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

Someone has anger issues. Must be from sucking all that smog in LA, along with a lot of dicks. I think we can call off the insult fest now, mmmmkay?

The finest argument a moron can put forth is the "oh, well then, YOU'RE GAY" argument.

Nice job.

Moron.

CHIEF4EVER · 10-08-2007, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And by the way, little brain, you might have more credibility if you actually had an AMERICAN football player in your avatar.

Thanks for playing.

Oh and PS: Roaf was traded because he SUCKED and was injured.

Who gives a rats ass about an avatar? YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT ROAF ASSHAT. He didn't suck in Nawlins dumbass. He was injured, that was it. Nawlins let him go because they felt a younger player would serve them better. If you knew anything about football you would understand that. Thanks for playing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-08-2007, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Too be honest with you, at the start of the season, I thought the execution was atrocious. I think it has improved slighty as the season went on...I am not crazy about it, I think it is half assed.

I think if you want to pinpoint on execution, mainly I would say, we are poor at executing our blocks in the running game. That is one of the biggest problems with this team right now. And it continues to be week to week. This coaching staff is driving me nuts because it doesn't seem like their placing much focus on it nor trying to improve the runblocking.

Gonzalez is making his catches, Bowe is making his catches. LJ isn't running as hard mainly because of his attitude and run blocking is bad.

If your going to say execution, pinpoint at the line, then you can also say some of huards throws are off-target as well.

*But this is a reflect of coaching. Imo, this can have ties to coaching. I believe that. it's the coaching staff responsibility to emphasize and focus on whats not working, correct it, so that the next week your better at it. It's all about preparation...Something our coaching staff is porous at.

The execution is poor because the lineman are old and worn out. There's really no need to make any excuses for them.

10 yards net rushing is all that needs to be said.

The center is 34 and was never suited for this scheme. The other lineman are over 30 and with the exception of Waters, have been shuffled around the league.

Time caught up with the O-line this year. Bottom line.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-08-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

Who gives a rats ass about an avatar? YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT ROAF ASSHAT. He didn't suck in Nawlins dumbass. He was injured, that was it. Nawlins let him go because they felt a younger player would serve them better. If you knew anything about football you would understand that. Thanks for playing.

You're such an easy target due to your small, uncreative mind.

New Orleans had an injured left tackle that had seen his best playing days in the rear view mirror. They shipped him to the Chiefs for a 3rd round draft choice.

Remember 2002? The Chiefs were 8-8. Roaf wasn't even close to full strength. Not even close. He came back in 2003 and was amazing. But that ended after the 2003 season, as the Chiefs went 7-9 in 2004 and in 2005, he was injured much of the year.

How about a few facts to go along with all that bullsh*t?

keg in kc · 10-08-2007, 02:05 AM

Offensive linemen regularly play at a high level into their mid-30s. The problem isn't age. The problem is that Wiegmann's a pulling center being asked to drive block at 270 pounds, and Welbourn, Terry and Turley just aren't very good. Which shouldn't be a surprise since Turley and Welbourn were both semi-retired and Terry's a headcase.

We're trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit, and it's not working, at least not in the run game. Pass protection has been adequate, however.

I think it's a combination of things, from an over-the-hill quarterback who should never have seen the field to a coaching staff that can't seem to decide what they want to be from series to series to a line that can pass protect but can't open running lanes to a running back that's either hurt or pouting or both.

I think a lot of it is playcalling, but I think the playcalling itself a result of the kind of personnel we have. Good players make coaches look good, and I'm not sure how much confidence the staff has in the guys they're putting on the field, particularly Huard. Although maybe that's his own fault, and the coaches aren't telling him not to look downfield or to feature Kris Wilson in the first half of every game.

It's hard to watch, whatever it is.

10-07-2007, 10:44 PM
Zouk Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: DC Casino cash: $10004900	Teicher says it's Brodie time, Huard ruled out next week Huard injured in Chiefs’ 17-7 loss to the Jaguars By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star The Chiefs can only hope it’s not an omen that the Brodie Croyle era officially began on an afternoon as gloomy as any in recent memory. The skies were dominated by gray clouds that dumped rain in the final moments of a 17-7 loss to Jacksonville at Arrowhead Stadium, but the dark mood had a lot more to do with a feeble offense that did little right and imparted a helpless feeling on the locker room. The Chiefs narrowly avoided their first home shutout since 1994 on Croyle’s 13-yard touchdown pass to Samie Parker on the game’s final play from scrimmage. Croyle replaced Damon Huard at quarterback in the fourth quarter. Huard left the game because of what the Chiefs described as a right shoulder injury. They weren’t more specific with details but have ruled Huard out of next week’s game against Cincinnati at Arrowhead. That means Croyle will start against the Bengals. Knowing coach Herm Edwards’ affinity for Croyle and his skills, the job is probably Croyle’s for the foreseeable future. Quarterback changes are weird by nature. On some, the earth moves, and others catch people by surprise. This one falls into the latter category. It caught by surprise some offensive players who weren’t aware of Huard’s injury. A different voice in the huddle told them everything they needed to know. “I wasn’t sure what happened with Damon,” Chiefs tackle Damion McIntosh said. “Brodie comes in and tells us the play and said, ‘Let’s get it done here,’ and that was it. There’s no heroic speech he came in there with. We weren’t expecting Joe Montana to walk in there. “He came in and did what he had to do. We scored a touchdown.” In the longer term, the Chiefs might need Croyle to do a Montana imitation. Their offense, the second half of last week’s game in San Diego notwithstanding, is that bad. Croyle takes over at quarterback for a team coming off a historically lousy rushing performance. The Chiefs rushed for 10 yards, the second-lowest total in team history and fewest since they gained zero in a 1965 game against the Broncos. Their passing game worked a little better but still couldn’t do enough to get them into scoring range more than twice. Dave Rayner missed a 31-yard field-goal attempt on the first possession, and that was it until Croyle guided the touchdown drive in the final moments. By then, the Jaguars had backed off and were willing to yield the shorter gains as long as they didn’t give Croyle and the Chiefs a big play. Still, the Chiefs scored a touchdown, and they’ll cling to that as an indication of momentum “It’s better than a goose egg,” McIntosh said. “But whether it carries over or not, I don’t know. We sure didn’t get any carryover from last week’s game.” Huard probably would have kept his job if not for the injury. The Chiefs didn’t appear ready to blame him for the offensive mess. But a change at quarterback probably can’t hurt. Croyle has superior passing skills that make him a decidedly different option from Huard. In theory, those skills will give the Chiefs the chance to expand their offensive repertoire. If there was ever a team in need of that, the Chiefs are it. “It’s just a matter of doing it for four quarters instead of for 8 minutes,” Croyle said. “It’s still the same mind-set. You want to go out there and score. You don’t want to go out there and hope we get a field goal or hope you get some good field position. It’s a matter of going out there and wanting to score. If we do that, maybe we can build on it.” But, as the Chiefs learned in the preseason when Croyle failed to win the job, the ride will be bumpy. He threw three interceptions then, all coming when he forced the ball into places it never should have gone. He was a wild-eyed risk-taker, something a conservative coach like Edwards couldn’t live with. The Chiefs detected signs that Croyle has mellowed in his fourth-quarter playing time in last month’s game against Chicago and again against the Jaguars. The Chiefs went three plays and out on Croyle’s first series Sunday, but he methodically worked his way down the field on his second. He fumbled the rain-slicked ball on one play but otherwise operated the Chiefs with a sense of urgency they have sadly lacked most of the season. “We played that last drive like we wanted to score,” he said. “We were clocking the ball. We weren’t conceding the loss.” http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/307770.html
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Offensive linemen regularly play at a high level into their mid-30s. The problem isn't age. The problem is that Wiegmann's a pulling center being asked to drive block at 270 pounds, and Welbourn, Terry and Turley just aren't very good. Which shouldn't be a surprise since Turley and Welbourn were both semi-retired and Terry's a headcase. We're trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit, and it's not working, at least not in the run game. Pass protection has been adequate, however. I think it's a combination of things, from an over-the-hill quarterback who should never have seen the field to a coaching staff that can't seem to decide what they want to be from series to series to a line that can pass protect but can't open running lanes to a running back that's either hurt or pouting or both. I think a lot of it is playcalling, but I think the playcalling itself a result of the kind of personnel we have. Good players make coaches look good, and I'm not sure how much confidence the staff has in the guys they're putting on the field, particularly Huard. Although maybe that's his own fault, and the coaches aren't telling him not to look downfield or to feature Kris Wilson in the first half of every game. It's hard to watch, whatever it is.
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