Chiefs The constant negativity is tiresome. Who is ready to join me and move on? - Page 16

**BigRedChief** · 04:02 PM

I'm finding this constant negativity tiresome. We have sucked for years. We were an embarrassment. A big ****ing joke. I'm done with the negativity.

I wanted Geno. I think we overpaid for Smith. I'm scratching my head over some of their moves.

Reid and Dorsey obviously have a plan. For crissakes, Reid watched every down of every player for the whole ****ing year before he even met with Clark. I'm going to give them AT LEAST a half a season before I start calling them dumb-asses and screaming for their head.

I don't think I'm accepting mediocrity by choosing to not scream and yell and be totally pissed off by the moves so far. If you think so, you are entitled to you opinion.

I was an early and financial supporter of SOC. Season ticket holder for years. I think anyone would label me a hard core Chiefs fan. Just like most of the posters on this board. We deserve better than we have been given by our team. I will be a Chiefs fan until I become worm food. Lifes too short to go around pissed all the time. I did enough of that the last few years.

I'm going to chose to hope that Reid and Dorseys plan is sound and will result in the return of winning football and our first playoff win since the Montana era. Who's with me?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-14-2013, 07:44 PM

Im sure he's a better game manager than Cassel. That said, stepping in a dog turd stuffed with peanut M&M's doesn't make it less smelly or a more enjoyable experience.
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NJChiefsFan · 03-14-2013, 07:45 PM

I don't think it's even worth having a debate about him vs. Cassel. It's not about upgrading Matt, it's about finding a guy that can get through big games. I understand Dane's point about walking before running, and I'm certainly not SB in 2 years or bust, but I don't think Alex Smith is very likely to take us anywhere special.

So in my mind, I would rather take a chance on a young guy, in this case, Geno. I get that he is a massive risk too, but to me potential upside beats out the upside I see in Alex. I just don't like the idea of having to build a super-team to take our QB to the SB. That's kind of what I think would need to happen.

I think both options are big risks. It's risky trying to swim upstream and win with a game manager. It's also risky taking a chance on a rookie. I just see more potential with the latter risk. There is a chance of major fail with the latter risk as well, but stealing from Dane, it would be business as usual. Some are comfortable with Alex and potentially it being a fail and business as usual. I would rather it be Geno/rookie QB and potentially business as usual.

WilliamTheIrish · 03-14-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Not just last year.

In the last 6 years, we've had the 1st overall pick, the 3rd overall pick TWICE, the 5th overall pick, and the 11th overall pick.

One of those guys isn't even on the team anymore, another probably shouldn't be, one is likely about to be the first RT ever taken 1st overall in NFL history, one was unimpressive against insurance salesmen in college, and one might eventually become an impact player.

5 picks that should have been franchise-altering, and MAYBE one difference maker in the bunch.

Its ridiculous. And it's also why I won't buy in without our very own franchise drafted QB.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-14-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think he's a Super Bowl QB, either.

Then what's the point, other than to make the fans feel good about their tailgates?

Why waste valuable picks on guys like that, when you could be drafting future difference makers?

KCDC · 03-14-2013, 07:46 PM

I was excited and ready to give Reid and Dorsey the benefit of the doubt. However, the Alex Cassel trade was so epicly bad (because of the insane value paid + the belief that he is the long-term solution rather than a stop-gap) that they lost me.

It is like saying that, other than Cassel, Peeoli did a good job. I had no problem with the Cassel trade; it was the blindness as to his mediocre (at best) talents. That epic fail has doomed Pioli's legacy in KC alone. The Alex Smith trade has likewise doomed Reid/Dorsey.

That doesn't mean that I'll stop rooting for the team. It doesn't mean that I won't wish that Alex Smith gets a lobotomy/epiphany and discovers how to be a good QB.

It just means that Reid/Dorsey are now in the same boat as Pioli with me (as far as QB evaluation competence). They are a little better because they are more active in the FA market and they don't have the massive ego or fascination with candy wrappers.

So, I will hope for the best and expect the worst.

Ace Gunner · 03-14-2013, 07:46 PM

I can't handle the constant neg.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-14-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Number of 300 yard passing games for Alex Smith: 3
Number of 300 yard passing games for Matt Cassel: 7

Dear God.

And Cassel has been a starter for a shade over half the time Smith has.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-14-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by something cooler

You mean the fifth pick twice?

Yes. Fixed.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-14-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Then what's the point, other than to make the fans feel good about their tailgates?

Why waste valuable picks on guys like that, when you could be drafting future difference makers?

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...43#post9496143

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=359

I'm on my iPad and suck at copying and pasting.

Ace Gunner · 03-14-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Dear God.

And Cassel has been a starter for a shade over half the time Smith has.

dear god. and cassel has had moss, welker and bowe.

-King- · 03-14-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

dear god. and cassel has had moss, welker and bowe.

And Smith had Crabtree and Davis.

BTW, 4 of those games by Matt Cassel came when he was in KC.

Brock · 03-14-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Don't worry, we just need to lose for a few years to get some high draft picks and this thing will get turned around. [/2006 ChiefsPlanet]

Worked for the colts.

NJChiefsFan · 03-14-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...43#post9496143

I'm on my iPad and suck at copying and pasting.

I understand that point but if Dorsey follows his old teams ways he won't be a big player in FA. Even if he is I think it will be like we are seeing right now, and he seems to be getting the guys he wants, even if over-paying a little. Once he gets a draft or two in I don't seem him being a FA guy.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-14-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I don't think it's even worth having a debate about him vs. Cassel. It's not about upgrading Matt, it's about finding a guy that can get through big games. I understand Dane's point about walking before running, and I'm certainly not SB in 2 years or bust, but I don't think Alex Smith is very likely to take us anywhere special.

If you're going to make nothing but "win now" moves, you better ****ing win now.

I would have given this regime all the rope in the world had they realized what everyone else already seems to know - that you win championships with QB drafted in R1 and developed over several years.

I would have kept my tickets, drove 300 miles each way 8 times, and been perfectly content with a low-win season or two. Because we'd be building towards the future.

But when you give up the type of currency we did for a guy an elite team didn't want, it screams "win now".

So they better win now. No excuses.

tk13 · 03-14-2013, 07:54 PM

The depressing idea everyone refuses to discuss is what if there aren't any answers this year. What if this is it, and all these guys never quite make it. People are quite selective with their arguments. There's a huge difference between now and 2009, in that everyone thought Stafford and Sanchez were top 10 talents. Pioli didn't care. This year the prevailing opinion among football people that none of these QBs available in any form are truly elite.

View Poll Results: Can you chose to hope Reid/Dorsey have a sound plan?
They seems to have a good plan	96	29.09%
Benefit of doubt until proven otherwise	158	47.88%
Those guys have proven to be failures	2	0.61%
Their moves so far cause me great concern that they are inept	46	13.94%
Screw this team	24	7.27%
Gaz says WTF am I?	4	1.21%
Voters: 330. You may not vote on this poll

03-14-2013, 03:56 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3189627 VARSITY	The constant negativity is tiresome. Who is ready to join me and move on? I'm finding this constant negativity tiresome. We have sucked for years. We were an embarrassment. A big **ing joke. I'm done with the negativity. I wanted Geno. I think we overpaid for Smith. I'm scratching my head over some of their moves. Reid and Dorsey obviously have a plan. For crissakes, Reid watched every down of every player for the whole *ing year before he even met with Clark. I'm going to give them AT LEAST a half a season before I start calling them dumb-asses and screaming for their head. I don't think I'm accepting mediocrity by choosing to not scream and yell and be totally pissed off by the moves so far. If you think so, you are entitled to you opinion. I was an early and financial supporter of SOC. Season ticket holder for years. I think anyone would label me a hard core Chiefs fan. Just like most of the posters on this board. We deserve better than we have been given by our team. I will be a Chiefs fan until I become worm food. Lifes too short to go around pissed all the time. I did enough of that the last few years. I'm going to chose to hope that Reid and Dorseys plan is sound and will result in the return of winning football and our first playoff win since the Montana era. Who's with me? Last edited by BigRedChief; 03-14-2013 at 04:02 PM..*
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Sweet Daddy Hate Unsparing Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Im sure he's a better game manager than Cassel. That said, stepping in a dog turd stuffed with peanut M&M's doesn't make it less smelly or a more enjoyable experience. Posted via Mobile Device
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03-14-2013, 07:45 PM	#227
NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $5770423	I don't think it's even worth having a debate about him vs. Cassel. It's not about upgrading Matt, it's about finding a guy that can get through big games. I understand Dane's point about walking before running, and I'm certainly not SB in 2 years or bust, but I don't think Alex Smith is very likely to take us anywhere special. So in my mind, I would rather take a chance on a young guy, in this case, Geno. I get that he is a massive risk too, but to me potential upside beats out the upside I see in Alex. I just don't like the idea of having to build a super-team to take our QB to the SB. That's kind of what I think would need to happen. I think both options are big risks. It's risky trying to swim upstream and win with a game manager. It's also risky taking a chance on a rookie. I just see more potential with the latter risk. There is a chance of major fail with the latter risk as well, but stealing from Dane, it would be business as usual. Some are comfortable with Alex and potentially it being a fail and business as usual. I would rather it be Geno/rookie QB and potentially business as usual.
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03-14-2013, 07:46 PM	#230
KCDC Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9736110	I was excited and ready to give Reid and Dorsey the benefit of the doubt. However, the Alex Cassel trade was so epicly bad (because of the insane value paid + the belief that he is the long-term solution rather than a stop-gap) that they lost me. It is like saying that, other than Cassel, Peeoli did a good job. I had no problem with the Cassel trade; it was the blindness as to his mediocre (at best) talents. That epic fail has doomed Pioli's legacy in KC alone. The Alex Smith trade has likewise doomed Reid/Dorsey. That doesn't mean that I'll stop rooting for the team. It doesn't mean that I won't wish that Alex Smith gets a lobotomy/epiphany and discovers how to be a good QB. It just means that Reid/Dorsey are now in the same boat as Pioli with me (as far as QB evaluation competence). They are a little better because they are more active in the FA market and they don't have the massive ego or fascination with candy wrappers. So, I will hope for the best and expect the worst.
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03-14-2013, 07:54 PM	#240
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2032500	The depressing idea everyone refuses to discuss is what if there aren't any answers this year. What if this is it, and all these guys never quite make it. People are quite selective with their arguments. There's a huge difference between now and 2009, in that everyone thought Stafford and Sanchez were top 10 talents. Pioli didn't care. This year the prevailing opinion among football people that none of these QBs available in any form are truly elite.
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