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Old 04-19-2008, 11:18 AM  
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"Even with Jared Allen, the Chiefs only won four games..."
I don't understand why people keep saying that, like it's Jared Allen's fault that the Chiefs sucked. They won four games because their offensive line sucked and their QBs sucked and their wide receivers sucked and their cornerbacks sucked and their defensive tackles sucked, etc. etc.

It's not like because they sucked one year, Jared Allen will never be a difference-maker. If they keep Allen, and build a defense around him, and actually used some of their ridiculously unused cap money on some offense, the Chiefs could be a contending team within a couple of years.

I just don't understand this widespread logic of "Oh, since the Chiefs only won four games last year, Jared Allen is completely useless to this team."
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:47 PM   #61
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Wrong. I'm comparing GAMES PLAYED.

Freeney got what he deserved, as one of the best DEs in the league, and so will Allen, just not from the Chiefs.

The Vikes, are giving up the picks, AND paying him, and they're not the only team willing to do it, because jared is a top tier player.

The teams trying to get him, have won a playoff game in the last 14 yrs.

At least Jared will get that chance before he's 30. Too bad for Tony though. I'm sure he loves seeing the Chiefs trade off their best player having never won a playoff game.

Hey, to each their own.

You see an elite DE.

I see a guy who is a year removed from not even being the sack leader on his OWN TEAM.

AND has a huge black cloud hanging over his head in the form of THREE DWI'S.
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:53 PM   #62
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Hey, to each their own.

You see an elite DE.

I see a guy who is a year removed from not even being the sack leader on his OWN TEAM.

AND has a huge black cloud hanging over his head in the form of THREE DWI'S.
I see the risk, and agree with you completely. I'm just comparing two players on the field.

I'm warming up to this deal. I'm just worried we'll **** up the picks.

I would rather have 3 solid starters than one stud. football is the ultimte TEAM sport, but these guys give me little faith that they can spot them.

I would hate to lose JA for nothing.
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:54 PM   #63
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I see the risk, and agree with you completely. I'm just comparing two players on the field.

I'm warming up to this deal. I'm just worried we'll **** up the picks.

I would rather have 3 solid starters players than one stud. football is the ultimte TEAM sport, but these guys give me little faith that they can spot them.

I would hate to lose JA for nothing.
And I'd hate to see our highest paid player get suspended and turn the organization into a joke to be made and the team turn into a PSA.
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:01 PM   #64
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And I'd hate to see our highest paid player get suspended and turn the organization into a joke to be made and the team turn into a PSA.
Very valid point. He definately still acts immature.

I'm just bitter. Carl, and company drive me insane.
They've been here so long, and ****ed up so hard, that it's hard to not question anything they do. Especially something this big.
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:02 PM   #65
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And I'd hate to see our highest paid player get suspended and turn the organization into a joke to be made and the team turn into a PSA.

"turn"

that's long since past
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:04 PM   #66
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Freeney hasn't done shit in a long time. NOT sack the QB, NOT stop the run.
You guys are pulling a Carl, and think that someone should be congradulated for shit they did a long time ago.

The NFL, is a what hve you done for me lately business, and Freeney hasn't done shit.

Right now Jared is twice the DE.
I think you're giving him credit for 1 good season

Hicks had 1 good season and we paid him most of his career for it
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:14 PM   #67
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I think you're giving him credit for 1 good season

Hicks had 1 good season and we paid him most of his career for it
Why do people always throw these names around. You know there's always an example that goes the other way. N. Smith never had more than 9 sacks his first 4 seasons.

Ja may get paid, and never be the same, and he might be an annual pro bowler. That's the risk you take with every signing.

Jared has been rising for quite some time.
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:25 PM   #68
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Why do people always throw these names around. You know there's always an example that goes the other way. N. Smith never had more than 9 sacks his first 4 seasons.

Ja may get paid, and never be the same, and he might be an annual pro bowler. That's the risk you take with every signing.

Jared has been rising for quite some time.

because his last season looks pretty damned close to hicks 2000 season
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:31 PM   #69
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I think you're giving him credit for 1 good season

Hicks had 1 good season and we paid him most of his career for it

QFT.

Jared Allen wants his big contract after he put up these big numbers.

Can he do it again?

Did the numbers he put up translate to wins? Did those sacks come against good teams?

We will get the answers later after the trade. Herm may not like JA's run defense. Who knows.

When you ask for Freeney money then you are going to be scrutinized. Freeney is consistent and is like Derrick Thomas.
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:34 PM   #70
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QFT.

Jared Allen wants his big contract after he put up these big numbers.

Can he do it again?

Do the numbers he put up translate to wins? Did those sacks come against good teams?

We will get the answers later after the trade. Herm may not like JA's run defense. Who knows.
The thing I didn't like about JA is what someone on here already posted. He disappears in the second half of games, I wonder how many of those sacks came in the first quarter, I would bet more than half.
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:36 PM   #71
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Allen is an absolute bunch player, from half to half from game to game, his stats at the end of the season look awesome but then you realize he wasn't consistent for every game.

He was invisible during that game in Denver when we got killed and their LT isn't even that great.
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:36 PM   #72
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The thing I didn't like about JA is what someone on here already posted. He disappears in the second half of games, I wonder how many of those sacks came in the first quarter, I would bet more than half.
Someone posted the breakdown several months ago.

IIRC, less than 3 of his sacks came in the 2nd half of games.

The number sticking in my head is 1.5, but I bumped it to 3 to be fair.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:35 PM   #73
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Feel free to pick and choose which years to use to suit your argument.

Take the first 4 years of Freeney's career.
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Someone posted the breakdown several months ago.

IIRC, less than 3 of his sacks came in the 2nd half of games.

The number sticking in my head is 1.5, but I bumped it to 3 to be fair.

I remember a quote being directed at donnie edwards when he was here the first time. Something along the lines that "great players make plays at the end of the game" not the beginning
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