My brief take on the draft

[Nightfyre]

My take on the draft: The Chiefs did not let the draft come to them, they went after the players they wanted.

Dee Ford - I like the player, I just felt like he was a reach for a position of need. But if we really were in love with him as a person/player, and really set on a passrusher, then the got what they needed.

Philip Gaines - Again, I really like the player. Tons of upside. Again, I feel like we reached for a guy we were targetting.

De'anthony Thomas - I see how he fits with Reid, but again, this pick seems like it was made a round early.

Aaron Murray - Great value. Love this pick.

Zach Fulton - Great pickup and a good scheme fit.

Duvernay-Tardif - Great value and hopefully he can come right in and make an impact.

[RunKC]

1. Xavier S'ua-Filo, OL; UCLA
2. Donte Moncrief, WR; Ole Miss
4. Dontae Johnson, DB; North Carolina State
5. Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State
6. Tyler Gaffney, RB; Stanford
6. Trevor Reilly, LB; Utah

Thank ****ing God John Dorsey runs this team and not Sac.

Here's what we got on day 1 of the draft. We got a ****ing guard and a WR that drops passes. Yay!

Meanwhile, our pass rush still struggles just like last year and we don't have a real CB to replace Flowers or add to the position.

Dontae Johnson has 8 5/8 inch baby hands and can't tackle in space.

Amazing that Sac is pissed off at Donnie Avery for dropping passes and Phillip Gaines for struggling with tackling but yet the players he wanted to draft have the same ****ing problems.

Unbelievable.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by RunKC

1. Xavier S'ua-Filo, OL; UCLA
2. Donte Moncrief, WR; Ole Miss
4. Dontae Johnson, DB; North Carolina State
5. Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State
6. Tyler Gaffney, RB; Stanford
6. Trevor Reilly, LB; Utah

Thank ****ing God John Dorsey runs this team and not Sac.

Here's what we got on day 1 of the draft. We got a ****ing guard and a WR that drops passes. Yay!

Meanwhile, our pass rush still struggles just like last year and we don't have a real CB to replace Flowers or add to the position.

Dontae Johnson has 8 5/8 inch baby hands and can't tackle in space.

Amazing that Sac is pissed off at Donnie Avery for dropping passes and Phillip Gaines for struggling with tackling but yet the players he wanted to draft have the same ****ing problems.

Unbelievable.

Carrethers also has arms that are short as hell and is purely a run stuffer with very limited athleticism.

Reilly is 26 years old already and would not be the answer to replace Hali like Ford is.

[farmerchief]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Thomas is like 8 mil cheaper

Yep, if he is even EQUAL to Macs abilities, we win in cap room! (But, I think he will be leaps and bounds ahead of Mac)

[TEX]

Originally Posted by farmerchief

Yep, if he is even EQUAL to Macs abilities, we win in cap room! (But, I think he will be leaps and bounds ahead of Mac)

Leaps and bounds? Gonna miss Dex. I'd have found a way to keep him.

I would have liked to have seen what he could have done year # 2 of Reid and Toub.

[the Talking Can]

taking a guard in the 1st over a pass rusher?

taking a fat ass in the 5th over Murray?



the ultimate chiefs fan...just insane

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I remember when Derrick Thomas had seven sacks in a single game.

We lost that game.



Challenge accepted.

i remember when we had one of the best OLs in NFL history


do you remember what they won?


how is it possible for a Chiefs fan to be this ****ing wrong about everything?

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i remember when we had one of the best OLs in NFL history


do you remember what they won?


how is it possible for a Chiefs fan to be this ****ing wrong about everything?

I don't get it. Guard is the one position where you can fill literally anywhere in the draft. Teams like the 18-1 Patriots can take a guard in the first, because every other position is spoken for. We certainly didn't have that luxury.

I can think of almost a dozen other players that should have been taken by us before we took that kid from UCLA.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Thomas is like 8 mil cheaper

Exactly- we replaced an explosive special teams/wr/rb with his clone and saved all that cap space while getting a younger player.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Exactly- we replaced an explosive special teams/wr/rb with his clone and saved all that cap space while getting a younger player.

We upgraded. Was tired of seeing McCluster be the small, kind of shifty, and slow guy on the team. At least Thomas is actually explosive and has world class speed with great football instincts on top of that.

[ct]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

taking a guard in the 1st over a pass rusher?

taking a fat ass in the 5th over Murray?



the ultimate chiefs fan...just insane

Excuse me, calling Sac the ultimate chiefs fan is insulting to all chiefs fans.

Sincerely,

Chiefs fans

[The Franchise]

Sac said that Thomas and McCluster had the same production in college.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Dorsey does Moneyball on steroids. That is why they use the Decision Lens software. The Packers use it too, and it is why the drafted Clay Matthews when everyone was scratching their heads when they made that pick. As it turns out, it was a good pick.

This isn't some fantasy football type software. This is military grade data analysis and decision making software.

The fact that Dorsey believes in this software is probably one of the reasons why he was hired by Clark. Clark is a numbers guy through and though. This software isn't just being used for draft decision making, the Chiefs are also using it to make decisions about free agency, how much to pay players, and who to let go.

I have an undergraduate degree in Mathematics. In fact, I have a dual degree with the other one being Physical Education, where I studied Biomechanics and Kinesiology. I could give a shit less that he uses a military grade software system. I understand statistics. I also understand human movement. I also happened to play this game of football at a high level I won't disclose. I've also studied draftable players for the past 15 years, and many people that have known me quite some time respect my opinion on players.

People around here act as though the Chiefs and the GM of the Chiefs are the only people that know anything about how a college prospect might transition to pros. Well, those people get it wrong far more often than they get it right. In the end will I personally have a shred of an effect on whether or not the Kansas City Chiefs draft a particular player? No. Will the Chiefs get some picks right that I think they won't? Yes. But here is what I do know on my own personal level, I've gotten more players right than Kansas City has over the years.

If you want a testament to my past, ask Sfeich, he knows.

My assessment stands at this point. Ford was a huge reach. Gaines was a value. Thomas is a McCluster clone. Murray was a solid pick for a 5th rounder, and was a good pick given they need to unload Daniels soon. The Chiefs made solid picks at O-line for it being the 6th round and there is a good chance they could hit on one, but likely not both. If I had to pick the one, it'll be Duvernay-Tardif. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong on some of those assessments, and I'm okay with that. Studying humans is imperfect science. I remain extremely displeased that KC did not adequately address the receiver position in a draft loaded with receivers. Thomas is a gadget player and special teamer in my book, and KC does not have an adequate #2 receiver. A guy, even like Devin Street, would have been good value in round 4.

[Halfcan]

So when Ford puts up 6 to 10 sacks this year-will people stop calling him a "Reach" pick?

[Sfeihc]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I have an undergraduate degree in Mathematics. In fact, I have a dual degree with the other one being Physical Education, where I studied Biomechanics and Kinesiology. I could give a shit less that he uses a military grade software system. I understand statistics. I also understand human movement. I also happened to play this game of football at a high level I won't disclose. I've also studied draftable players for the past 15 years, and many people that have known me quite some time respect my opinion on players.

People around here act as though the Chiefs and the GM of the Chiefs are the only people that know anything about how a college prospect might transition to pros. Well, those people get it wrong far more often than they get it right. In the end will I personally have a shred of an effect on whether or not the Kansas City Chiefs draft a particular player? No. Will the Chiefs get some picks right that I think they won't? Yes. But here is what I do know on my own personal level, I've gotten more players right than Kansas City has over the years.

If you want a testament to my past, ask Sfeich, he knows.

My assessment stands at this point. Ford was a huge reach. Gaines was a value. Thomas is a McCluster clone. Murray was a solid pick for a 5th rounder, and was a good pick given they need to unload Daniels soon. The Chiefs made solid picks at O-line for it being the 6th round and there is a good chance they could hit on one, but likely not both. If I had to pick the one, it'll be Duvernay-Tardif. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong on some of those assessments, and I'm okay with that. Studying humans is imperfect science. I remain extremely displeased that KC did not adequately address the receiver position in a draft loaded with receivers. Thomas is a gadget player and special teamer in my book, and KC does not have an adequate #2 receiver. A guy, even like Devin Street, would have been good value in round 4.

I feel your frustration. Coming out of the deepest draft I can remember for WRs the CHIEFS took none of them. SMH. Donnie Avery is still the #2 WR for KC.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I have an undergraduate degree in Mathematics. In fact, I have a dual degree with the other one being Physical Education, where I studied Biomechanics and Kinesiology. I could give a shit less that he uses a military grade software system. I understand statistics. I also understand human movement. I also happened to play this game of football at a high level I won't disclose. I've also studied draftable players for the past 15 years, and many people that have known me quite some time respect my opinion on players.

People around here act as though the Chiefs and the GM of the Chiefs are the only people that know anything about how a college prospect might transition to pros. Well, those people get it wrong far more often than they get it right. In the end will I personally have a shred of an effect on whether or not the Kansas City Chiefs draft a particular player? No. Will the Chiefs get some picks right that I think they won't? Yes. But here is what I do know on my own personal level, I've gotten more players right than Kansas City has over the years.

If you want a testament to my past, ask Sfeich, he knows.

My assessment stands at this point. Ford was a huge reach. Gaines was a value. Thomas is a McCluster clone. Murray was a solid pick for a 5th rounder, and was a good pick given they need to unload Daniels soon. The Chiefs made solid picks at O-line for it being the 6th round and there is a good chance they could hit on one, but likely not both. If I had to pick the one, it'll be Duvernay-Tardif. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong on some of those assessments, and I'm okay with that. Studying humans is imperfect science. I remain extremely displeased that KC did not adequately address the receiver position in a draft loaded with receivers. Thomas is a gadget player and special teamer in my book, and KC does not have an adequate #2 receiver. A guy, even like Devin Street, would have been good value in round 4.