DON'T fire Ned Yost

[Lex Luthor]

Ned made a great decision in the bottom of the 10th inning today. If Ned hadn't had Getz pinch run for Billy, the inning would have been over before Justin Maxwell ever came to the plate.

Everybody hates Ned and wants him to be fired. I don't. He sometimes makes game-time decisions that are easy to second-guess, but you've got to give him credit: the Royals have just about the best clubhouse atmosphere and team camraderie of any team I've ever seen. Ned deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that.

Not only do I think Ned won't be fired, I'm convinced he shouldn't be fired.

Edit: I was drunk with the euphoria of Justin Maxwell's walkoff grand slam when I created this thread. I have since sobered up.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Well, if Girardi is on the market, that means the Yankees job is open. I imagine that will be the most attractive job out there.

But your point remains... KC job is much more attractive than it has been at any time since Howser left.

Yankees are firmly committed to getting under the luxury tax number. They won't retain both Granderson AND Cano. They can't be serious FA shoppers due to this commitment. Unless someone just wants to be in the limelights of New York, it's not an attractive "winning baseball" job for the next few years. Yankees are going to have a rough 2-3 years, I'm guessing. That makes me happy.

[siberian khatru]

Doesn't a lot of this hang on DM's contract? He's signed through 2014.

Will DM be allowed to sign a manager to a multi-year deal if he himself doesn't have one? Will a "name" manager sign here if he doesn't know DM's future past 2014? And I can't believe ANYONE would sign for just one year. Would even Ned sign a one-year contract, or would he decline and go on the open market?


So Glass has to extend DM first, right? And frankly, I don't want THAT. I think DM should first show how he handles this offseason and how things go to start off 2014. It would be a mistake to call 2013 "mission accomplished" and reward DM when he's got to prove 1) it's not a fluke, and 2) he knows how to take the team to the next level. You extend DM 3-5 years now and then watch the team regress to 79 wins in 2014 and then Shields walks, well what exactly have you achieved? Five more losing seasons and looking back at 2013 and saying "Wow, remember how fun that was, kinda sorta almost making a one-game wild-card playoff?"

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Doesn't a lot of this hang on DM's contract? He's signed through 2014.

Will DM be allowed to sign a manager to a multi-year deal if he himself doesn't have one? Will a "name" manager sign here if he doesn't know DM's future past 2014? And I can't believe ANYONE would sign for just one year. Would even Ned sign a one-year contract, or would he decline and go on the open market?


So Glass has to extend DM first, right? And frankly, I don't want THAT. I think DM should first show how he handles this offseason and how things go to start off 2014. It would be a mistake to call 2013 "mission accomplished" and reward DM when he's got to prove 1) it's not a fluke, and 2) he knows how to take the team to the next level. You extend DM 3-5 years now and then watch the team regress to 79 wins in 2014 and then Shields walks, well what exactly have you achieved? Five more losing seasons and looking back at 2013 and saying "Wow, remember how fun that was, kinda sorta almost making a one-game wild-card playoff?"

GOod points all.

We're likely looking at Ned next year, or POSSIBLY Pedro Grifol.

I vote for Pedro.

[BlackHelicopters]

More Ned? Ice pick please.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

GOod points all.

We're likely looking at Ned next year, or POSSIBLY Pedro Grifol.

I vote for Pedro.

My worst fear is Glass says "We're on the right track" and extends Moore, who extends Ned, and then tells Moore he can add one player this offseason. Moore says no problem, I fully expect all the good of 2013 to continue and all the bad to improve, and Nelson Cruz will put us over the top.

And then its 79-83 and we're stuck with these ****sticks for another 3 years.

[siberian khatru]

And yes, that is me being an irascible pessimist.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Doesn't a lot of this hang on DM's contract? He's signed through 2014.

Will DM be allowed to sign a manager to a multi-year deal if he himself doesn't have one? Will a "name" manager sign here if he doesn't know DM's future past 2014? And I can't believe ANYONE would sign for just one year. Would even Ned sign a one-year contract, or would he decline and go on the open market?


So Glass has to extend DM first, right? And frankly, I don't want THAT. I think DM should first show how he handles this offseason and how things go to start off 2014. It would be a mistake to call 2013 "mission accomplished" and reward DM when he's got to prove 1) it's not a fluke, and 2) he knows how to take the team to the next level. You extend DM 3-5 years now and then watch the team regress to 79 wins in 2014 and then Shields walks, well what exactly have you achieved? Five more losing seasons and looking back at 2013 and saying "Wow, remember how fun that was, kinda sorta almost making a one-game wild-card playoff?"

DM will get extended 2 years minimum within the next few weeks or after the WS. Bank it.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Great Expectations

How much of this is Yost? I think DM deserves a lot of criticism for not making these changes.

Don't bother, people are obsessed with Ned Yost. It's a weird obsession they have. Everyone with a brain knows that Dayton has a huge impact on who plays and when they play. And if he didn't want Ned playing Frenchy or Getz he'd have DFA'd them. The GM always has the final say on who plays because he can just move guys unilaterally.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Don't bother, people are obsessed with Ned Yost. It's a weird obsession they have. Everyone with a brain knows that Dayton has a huge impact on who plays and when they play. And if he didn't want Ned playing Frenchy or Getz he'd have DFA'd them. The GM always has the final say on who plays because he can just move guys unilaterally.

Completely untrue. DM can overrule Ned of course. But DM is known as a "collaborative" GM. If his coach wants something, he usually gets what his coach wants. If his coach wants a guy a guy from AAA, DM will rarely refuse him. If Ned wants to bat Getz 2nd, DM lets him. He's as hand-off as you can get for a GM during the season.

Now...I WISH he were more proactive, but he's not. DM should have put a stop to Ned's fascination with certain players long before he did. If DM has a flaw, it isn't hat he's pulling the strings, but that he's too loyal (everyone knows this in baseball), too compliant and won't do his job and make the hard decisions. If he should be fired for anything, it's for that.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Completely untrue. DM can overrule Ned of course. But DM is known as a "collaborative" GM. If his coach wants something, he usually gets what his coach wants. If his coach wants a guy a guy from AAA, DM will rarely refuse him. If Ned wants to bat Getz 2nd, DM lets him. He's as hand-off as you can get for a GM during the season.

Now...I WISH he were more proactive, but he's not. DM should have put a stop to Ned's fascination with certain players long before he did. If DM has a flaw, it isn't hat he's pulling the strings, but that he's too loyal (everyone knows this in baseball), too compliant and won't do his job and make the hard decisions. If he should be fired for anything, it's for that.

Unless DM believes the same things Ned does (Getz, Frenchy, bunting a man to 3B in the first inning, etc.). Maybe it's not that DM "let's him," it's that DM agrees with him.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Completely untrue. DM can overrule Ned of course. But DM is known as a "collaborative" GM. If his coach wants something, he usually gets what his coach wants. If his coach wants a guy a guy from AAA, DM will rarely refuse him. If Ned wants to bat Getz 2nd, DM lets him. He's as hand-off as you can get for a GM during the season.

Now...I WISH he were more proactive, but he's not. DM should have put a stop to Ned's fascination with certain players long before he did. If DM has a flaw, it isn't hat he's pulling the strings, but that he's too loyal (everyone knows this in baseball), too compliant and won't do his job and make the hard decisions. If he should be fired for anything, it's for that.

None of what you say is proveable.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

None of what you say is proveable.

None of what YOU say is provable (see what I did there?). Stop with discussion-stopping cliches.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Unless DM believes the same things Ned does (Getz, Frenchy, bunting a man to 3B in the first inning, etc.). Maybe it's not that DM "let's him," it's that DM agrees with him.

This is absolutely possible. What is NOT true is that DM is some sort of puppet master and Yost is the being held back by his bungling GM. History is simply not on the side of such an argument. Ned was fired with the Brewers in FIRST F-ing place. Let that sink in.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

None of what YOU say is provable (see what I did there?). Stop with discussion-stopping cliches.

Well, I was asking for proof Yost is a bad manager. I still haven't received it. I know for a fact Dayton has full control over player personnel because every GM in the league has it. You're throwing out baseless theories you can't prove.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

My worst fear is Glass says "We're on the right track" and extends Moore, who extends Ned, and then tells Moore he can add one player this offseason. Moore says no problem, I fully expect all the good of 2013 to continue and all the bad to improve, and Nelson Cruz will put us over the top.

And then its 79-83 and we're stuck with these ****sticks for another 3 years.

That would suck.

1) If all they add is Nelson Cruz, the offense is better (unless he sucks without roids). And the defense is hurt substantially.

If they're going to sacrifice RF defense for offense, I'd much rather see them go Carlos Beltran over Cruz. Defensive hit is about the same (if Beltran remains as below-average as he has been this year), but Beltran is a much more consistent and proven offensive player.

2) I assume that would mean they stick with internal pitching options. So basically, Shields, Guthrie and the kids. Scary way to go into a season.