Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM

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• Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire.

If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen.

Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco.

Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year.

On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck.

On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff.

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[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

As for why Palko was on the roster? That was a lot more Pioli than Haley, and fits the overall theme that Pioli didn't want anyone on the roster that could possibly create a QB controversy. It's not like Pioli brought anyone into training camp to compete with Tyler Palko, unless you count Croyle/Guttierez, two guys who were so bad they aren't in the league anymore.

Case closed.

Well, Haley knew Palko. So, he does share some of that blame. Pioli, however, is in charge of personnel.

People seem to think Haley let Orton ride the bench for a month or something.

I don't care about Todd, but I find it funny how there can be so much hate towards him when he was force-fed Cassel and had a shit boss like Pioli.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by FAX

With all respect, Mr. Rausch, I don't believe that is the case.

He had to play somebody. He put Orton in as soon as he could and he got hurt on his first play. Evidence suggests that Haley was told not to play Stanzi under any circumstances. Who was left?

There is also good reason to believe (Babb's report) that Haley wanted Hasselbeck and was told by Pioli to go pound sand.

To me, it appears that Pioli painted the entire franchise in a corner with Cassel. That, I believe, is the root problem in respect to Palko, et al.

FAX

Fax wins, game over.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And therein is the problem. Good coaches don't get desperate, they get determined.

Forget all of the draws on 3rd downs and shit, that flea flicker against Chicago was the dumbest thing Haley did during a game as HC of the Chiefs.

I understand the strategy. New QB with no experience with the playbook, probably start with a few run plays as he gets his feet wet. That being said, don't think it was desperation as much as it was Haley trying to be way too cute. Not a good playcall. I would have gone with playaction instead.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Dave

Well, Haley knew Palko. So, he does share some of that blame. Pioli, however, is in charge of personnel.

People seem to think Haley let Orton ride the bench for a month of something.

I don't care about Todd, but I find it funny how there can be so much hate towards him when he was force-fed Cassel and had a shit boss like Pioli.

I don't think it's unusual for coaches to bring journeymen in to fill out your roster. If the GM does nothing to add a new guy to replace that journeyman, that's on the GM. All Pioli had to do was bring in a cheap veteran to play backup. The reason we didn't bring in that veteran is because we all know that Pioli didn't want to bring in QB competition.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Dave

Well, Haley knew Palko. So, he does share some of that blame. Pioli, however, is in charge of personnel.

People seem to think Haley let Orton ride the bench for a month or something.

I don't care about Todd, but I find it funny how there can be so much hate towards him when he was force-fed Cassel and had a shit boss like Pioli.

THIS.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I own up to that. I exaggerated, but at least I'm willing to admit it. But the argument is moving the uprights. The reason people rejected drafting Okung wasn't because they loved Albert's future. It's because they didn't want to spend a high pick on a lineman, let alone one they weren't in love with.

LOL. Wrong again.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And therein is the problem. Good coaches don't get desperate, they get determined.

Forget all of the draws on 3rd downs and shit, that flea flicker against Chicago was the dumbest thing Haley did during a game as HC of the Chiefs.

Let me give you Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko as your quarterbacks and then take away 3 of your best players including 2 of your 3 best offensive players.

You'd get desperate, too.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He put Orton in and immediately ran one of the longest-developing plays in the game of football, against one of the best pass-rushing defenses in all of football.

Bears were 19th in sacks, 19th in DVOA QB pressure.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

LOL. Wrong again.

Go ahead and read the threads. The majority of people didn't want Russell Okung because we didn't like Russell Okung. And because we wanted a playmaker, which is why we wanted Berry over Okung. And because we didn't want to draft yet another lineman.

There were a lot of people who were dissatisfied with Albert but didn't want Okung. And there were a few who were patient and thought Albert deserved a little more time. But there was pretty much nobody that thought that in 2009 was anything close to acceptable. And in 2010, there were a whole lot less.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Let me give you Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko as your quarterbacks and then take away 3 of your best players including 2 of your 3 best offensive players.

You'd get desperate, too.

The measure of a man is how you handle adversity.

Haley handled it like a 14-year old kid, on acid.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Bears were 19th in sacks, 19th in DVOA QB pressure.

They're still the Bears and it's still a stupid, stupid playcall.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Go ahead and read the threads. The majority of people didn't want Russell Okung because we didn't like Russell Okung. And because we wanted a playmaker, which is why we wanted Berry over Okung. And because we didn't want to draft yet another lineman.

There were a lot of people who were dissatisfied with Albert but didn't want Okung. And there were a few who were patient and thought Albert deserved a little more time. But there was pretty much nobody that thought that in 2009 was anything close to acceptable. And in 2010, there were a whole lot less.

There was one guy who was dissatisfied with Albert. I remember because i have always had albert's back. You are attempting to rewrite history.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The measure of a man is how you handle adversity.

Haley handled it like a 14-year old kid, on acid.

That's true. But I also have seen great workers do terrible work because of overbearing bosses. If Pioli tried to even do a fraction of the micromanagement to Bellichick or Coughlin, I can't even imagine the shitstorm that would have followed. They probably would have quit and made a public embarrassment of Pioli.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The measure of a man is how you handle adversity.

Haley handled it like a 14-year old kid, on acid.

I disagree, but whats done is done and its not really worth a continuing discussion.

I just think that Haley will land somewhere as a HC and flourish when he is able to chose his staff and players.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

There was one guy who was dissatisfied with Albert. I remember because i have always had albert's back. You are attempting to rewrite history.

One guy? Interesting. You should read the thread I posted above when Jared Gaither was signed. I've always had Albert's back too. Doesn't mean there wasn't some conversation about whether Albert should be moved to Guard or Right Tackle, and a lot of conversation about how he wasn't progressing as a pass protector. Or that he hadn't established himself as a franchise left tackle.

In either event... NOBODY thought Albert was playing like a franchise left tackle in 2009 or 2010. Any of his backers believed in his potential, not in the way he was playing.