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O.city · 01-23-2013, 06:49 PM

Jets owner Woody Johnson to explore trading Darrelle Revis
By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider
January 23, 2013 7:28 pm ET

The New York Jets, fresh off an exhaustive hunt for new general manager John Idzik, will explore options to deal star corner Darrelle Revis this offseason, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Revis, whose contract voids after the 2014 season, is set to earn $6 million in 2013 (between salary and bonuses), and owner Woody Johnson has strong reservations about the ability to extend Revis's deal, the sources said. Johnson has expressed his desire to attempt to land value for Revis now, rather than risk losing him as an unrestricted free agent a year from now, most likely seeking as much draft-pick compensation for him as possible.

The Jets are very much in transition mode, they have cap issues moving forward and are trying to embark on a rebuilding processafter firing former long-time general manager Mike Tannenbaum. Revis, who missed almost all of last season after suffering a torn ACL, engaged in a long holdout in 2010 that resulted in a contract extension that was more of a Band-Aid than anything else.

Revis signed a seven-year deal then that voids to a four-year pact, thus making him an unrestricted free agent after the 2013 season. The deal also precludes him being hit with the franchise tag or any other such mechanism. Johnson has made it very clear he would like to pursue a means to reap rewards for Revis now, sources said, and it is likely to be an immediate part of Idzik's initial job duties.

Revis is considered by many to be the best defensive player in the game. And with pass rusher Mario Williams earning$60 million guaranteedfrom Buffalo a year ago, Johnson understands how financially restrictive it would be to retain him. His team desperately needs young, cheap, impact players to help reposition the team for the future, with 2013 a year of transition.

Revis is the only real trading chip that he has. Knee injury or not, there would be no shortage of teams interested in securing his services and no shortage of rebuilding teams sitting on massive cap space in 2013. The Jets are also likely to be hard-pressed to retain free agents like tight end Dustin Keller, running back Shonn Greene and defensive tackle Mike DeVito, though they will make a push to retain DeVito, the sources said.

Getting Revis signed to an extension would be a possibility to trying to remedy this situation, but the sources said Johnson has established his desire to move him if he can secure fair value in exchange.

Dealing Revis would incur a $9 million cap hit due to some option-bonus prorations involved in the contract -- thus Revis would count an additional $3 million against the cap than he is currently scheduled to -- but the Jets could navigate that relatively easily according to sources familiar with their cap situation, via a restructuring or by releasing a veteran. The team is using 2013 as a year for cap and budgetary housecleaning, to get situated for the future. It stands to reason that come 2014, both Revis and head coach Rex Ryan, are gone.

Any interest?

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Unless you trade him and sign a friendly extension at the same time, what's the point? In effect we would trade a second rounder for one year of Revis on a rebuilding team and the right to negotiate for a year.

The guy is obviously going to go to whoever pays him the most, so either wait a year and open up the pocketbook (and devote $140 million to CBs) or let someone else trade assets for him.

It's the type of deal fans love and that gets GMs fired: short-sighted band-aids.

Where is the 140 million coming from?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-23-2013, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Where is the 140 million coming from?

$60 million for Flowers+the other trash on the roster+$80 million for Revis.

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier

You mean the guy who isn't a free agent?

Also, you can't possibly believe that a player like Revis would agree to a contract that didn't include large sums of guaranteed money.

Well, yeah obviously he would want alot. So pay him.

And he'll be a free agent next year, then would you pay for him?

**BossChief** · 01-23-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You mean like the unquestioned best CB in the NFL?

Length of contracts aren't as important, it's all about guaranteed money. We've paid top dollar to shitstains like Cassel and Jackson, yet some of you aren't ok with paying top dollar for hte best CB in the league?

He WAS the best corner in football, 2 years ago.

Here's another factor...under Crennel we played RCB/LCB and didn't move guys around to shadow top receivers while the Jets did.

We get Revis, he gets the top guy and Flowers would almost always get the #2 WR.

That's a big factor when you figure in the quality of our potential as a disruptive front 7.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-23-2013, 07:39 PM

It also violates a pretty good de facto rule: Unless the guy is a QB, don't give him a third contract.

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

$60 million for Flowers+the other trash on the roster+$80 million for Revis.

Well, you aren't likely to end up paying him all that money. Depending on what you guaranteed him, you could front end the money.

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It also violates a pretty good de facto rule: Unless the guy is a QB, don't give him a third contract.

Well, yeah. But technically this is his 3rd deal, but he's still 27

Frazod · 01-23-2013, 07:41 PM

Cassel for Revis! We'll even throw in Quinn!

**BossChief** · 01-23-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Unless you trade him and sign a friendly extension at the same time, what's the point? In effect we would trade a second rounder for one year of Revis on a rebuilding team and the right to negotiate for a year.

The guy is obviously going to go to whoever pays him the most, so either wait a year and open up the pocketbook (and devote $140 million to CBs) or let someone else trade assets for him.

It's the type of deal fans love and that gets GMs fired: short-sighted band-aids.

If we could get him for the first pick in the third round, I'd jump on that...trading our second rounder would be worth it if he agrees to sign.

**Easy 6** · 01-23-2013, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Unless you trade him and sign a friendly extension at the same time, what's the point? In effect we would trade a second rounder for one year of Revis on a rebuilding team and the right to negotiate for a year.

The guy is obviously going to go to whoever pays him the most, so either wait a year and open up the pocketbook (and devote $140 million to CBs) or let someone else trade assets for him.

It's the type of deal fans love and that gets GMs fired: short-sighted band-aids.

This.

It just isnt a good idea for this team, if we were a top corner away from contending it'd be a different story.

**TribalElder** · 01-23-2013, 07:44 PM

Draft honey badger

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-23-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

This.

It just isnt a good idea for this team, if we were a top corner away from contending it'd be a different story.

This is where I fall. You can also make the argument that players of Revis' talent are a fit anywhere, but for a team that has a ton of holes, giving up the opportunity for cheap, cost-controlled young players for a player probably at the tail end of his prime pulls us in two separate directions.

O.city · 01-23-2013, 07:46 PM

I'm also assuming he's gonna stay in his prime until he's 32,33. Probably won't, but if that were the case, I'd be more inclined.

tk13 · 01-23-2013, 07:48 PM

Cue my usual "Cornerbacks don't win titles" rant. I don't feel like typing it anymore.

In reality, they can help... but teams that shoot their wad on CB never win. Although I know I've enjoyed watching Brandon Carr in the playoffs the last couple weeks.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-23-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If we could get him for the first pick in the third round, I'd jump on that...trading our second rounder would be worth it if he agrees to sign.

Say we do trade for Revis. What are the odds he actually signs in KC for anything less than the biggest contract he'd get?

What are the odds he would not take KC's offer of the biggest contract if he were in New York, Dallas, or Tampa?

He'll go where the money is, IMO. Therefore unless one year of Revis> 4-5 of a #65 pick and the surplus money from not paying for that year, you don't make the trade.

I don't see how that equation points to us trading for him, unless for some reason the guy likes holding out for reasons other than money.

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