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Old 10-12-2018, 04:07 PM  
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Opinion: Trump could be most honest president in modern history

https://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news...uCL5YKPTMKUaN/

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump may be remembered as the most honest president in modern American history.
Don’t get me wrong, Trump lies all the time. He said that he “enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history” (actually they are the eighth largest) and that “our economy is the strongest it’s ever been in the history of our country” (which may one day be true, but not yet). In part, it’s a New York thing — everything is the biggest and the best.

But when it comes to the real barometer of presidential truthfulness — keeping his promises — Trump is a paragon of honesty. For better or worse, since taking office Trump has done exactly what he promised he would do.

Trump kept his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, something his three immediate predecessors also promised yet failed to do. He promised to “crush and destroy ISIS,” and two years later he is on the verge of eliminating the Islamic State’s physical caliphate. He promised to impose a travel ban on countries that he saw as posing a terrorist threat, and after several false starts the final version of his ban was upheld by the Supreme Court.

Trump pledged to nominate Supreme Court justices “in the mold of Justice [Antonin] Scalia,” and now Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh sit on the high court. Trump also pledged to fill the federal appellate courts with young, conservative judges, and so far the Senate has confirmed 29 — more than any recent president at this point in his administration.

Trump promised to cancel President Barack Obama’s Clean Power Plan, withdraw from the Paris climate accord, approve the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines, and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to exploration. He fulfilled all of those pledges.

On trade, he kept his promise to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership and impose tariffs on steel and aluminum. He also committed to renegotiating NAFTA and the U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement — and recently signed new deals with Mexico, Canada and South Korea. He committed to imposing tariffs on China to force it to open its markets and stop its theft of intellectual property — and is following through on that pledge. Whatever one thinks of Trump’s trade policies, he is doing exactly what he said.

Where Trump has failed to keep promises, such as building the wall or repealing Obamacare, it has not been for a lack of trying. Only in a few rare instances has he backtracked on a campaign pledge — such as when he admitted that he was wrong to promise a complete withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan and reversed course. I’m glad he did.

But whether one agrees or disagrees is not the point. When Trump says he will do something, you can take it to the bank. Yes, he takes liberties with the truth. But unlike his predecessor, he did not pass his signature legislative achievement on the basis of a lie (“If you like your health care plan, you can keep it”) — which is clearly worse than falsely bragging that your tax cut is the biggest ever.

The fact is, in his first two years, Trump has compiled a remarkable record of presidential promise-keeping. He’d probably say it’s the best in history — which may or may not end up being true. It’s too soon to tell.


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Old 10-13-2018, 02:04 PM   #31
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Reading is hard, Donger....
Yes, and reading things that don't make sense and apparently agreeing with them is easy for some, it seems.
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Old 10-13-2018, 02:14 PM   #32
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Old 10-13-2018, 02:36 PM   #33
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Well, he may be. He honestly asked for Black Americans to “honor us” with their votes, and then, at the same rally, went on and on in praise of Robert E Lee.

I’m not sure that honesty will translate to votes.
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Old 10-13-2018, 02:49 PM   #34
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Well, he may be. He honestly asked for Black Americans to “honor us” with their votes, and then, at the same rally, went on and on in praise of Robert E Lee.

I’m not sure that honesty will translate to votes.
Only to the ignorant and uneducated. This is the third time I have had to correct your false history claims. Robert E Lee freed his slaves well before the Southern War for Independence. He opposed slavery vigorously. Actually, I am not sure he really had any of his own but inherited them from his wife who was a grandaughter of George Washington. But they were all freed.

Now don't go and give me some other false narrative of, "Well he fought on the side of the South!" And "They left the Union because of slavery." That was a tortured decision for him, as he paced all night over staying his beloved state. Lincoln had invaded his state, after Ft. Sumter—which led to other Southern states leaving the Union. Lee simply felt compelled to defend his land, property and the people of his state.

Meanwhile some of Lincoln's generals who fought did keep their slaves.

You must think the poor or average Johnny Reb who had no slaves fought for slavery too. Wrong again, people tend to join together when the feel threatened with an invading army. Most in the South were not slaveowners—it was a small minority.
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Old 10-13-2018, 02:58 PM   #35
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Only to the ignorant and uneducated. This is the third time I have had to correct your false history claims. Robert E Lee freed his slaves well before the Southern War for Independence. He opposed slavery vigorously. Actually, I am not sure he really had any of his own but inherited them from his wife who was a grandaughter of George Washington. But they were all freed.

Now don't go and give me some other false narrative of, "Well he fought on the side of the South!" And "They left the Union because of slavery." That was a tortured decision for him, as he paced all night over staying his beloved state. Lincoln had invaded his state, after Ft. Sumter—which led to other Southern states leaving the Union. Lee simply felt compelled to defend his land, property and the people of his state.

Meanwhile some of Lincoln's generals who fought did keep their slaves.

You must think the poor or average Johnny Reb who had no slaves fought for slavery too. Wrong again, people tend to join together when the feel threatened with an invading army. Most in the South were not slaveowners—it was a small minority.
The last time you lectured me on the Civil War, you confused the Emancipation Proclimation with the Gettysburg Address. I’m not quite sure you qualify as a Civil War expert.

Be that as it may, I was not making a moral judgement about Robert E Lee. My point was a political observation.
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Old 10-13-2018, 03:00 PM   #36
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in praise of Robert E Lee.

I’m not sure that honesty will translate to votes.
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I was not making a moral judgement about Robert E Lee. My point was a political observation.
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:32 PM   #38
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So left wing tries to educate right wing and left wing looks like complete fools. Gotcha.
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:08 PM   #39
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A person who thinks that Trump doesn't lie is attempting to describe me as unreasonable...

Sure, that makes perfect sense.
Who was your guy? Tell me he didn't lie, and I'll call you a liar. Just stop, we get it, you hate Trump. Yawn! Your guy got his ass kicked! Don't be the loser that he was/is...
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Yes, I did. It doesn't make any sense. Unless, of course, you can justify that he lies all the time with he keeps his promises.
Says the guy who reads CNN and links them all of the time.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:49 AM   #41
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Who was your guy? Tell me he didn't lie, and I'll call you a liar. Just stop, we get it, you hate Trump. Yawn! Your guy got his ass kicked! Don't be the loser that he was/is...
Rubio. I don't recall any lies that he told, but he may have. What does that have to do with you being unreasonable?
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Yes, I say that. Do you actually have a point to make?
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Fair enough, the format caused me to miss that. My bad.

Regardless, if you want to discuss semantics rather than discuss core idea being expressed, I'm already bored. Semantic arguments bore the **** outta me.
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If the core issue is that Trump has kept many of his promises, that's fine. So have other POTUS.
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The fact is, in his first two years, Trump has compiled a remarkable record of presidential promise-keeping. He’d probably say it’s the best in history — which may or may not end up being true. It’s too soon to tell.
You are going to have to dig a long ways back to find someone who has followed through on as many campaign promises as Trump and did it in the first 2 years.

And he isnt done yet.
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