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I typically put nationalist interests first. 59 88.06%
I typically put globalist interests first. 8 11.94%
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Old 10-22-2018, 10:54 PM  
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:13 PM   #2
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I’m at the very least far less disloyal to this nation than to the collection of lesser nations.
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:13 PM   #3
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:29 PM   #4
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I am globalist because I believe this planet is far superior for humans than any other planet that our current technology allows us to inhabit. I identify with being human more strongly than I identify with being an American, a mammal, a male, or white. I am human and have empathy for other humans. I enjoy, appreciate, and respect human culture from many places and times in history. The future of humanity is bright because people in general are awesome.

I am a patriot because at the present time the United States along with other liberal democracies of the world are the best places for supporting human rights at home and promoting them abroad. I grew up in the US and I feel comfortable here. The US is a great country.

I am not a nationalist. Why? I do not consider the US to have a monopoly on freedom, representative government, fighting against evil, or human rights. Our culture is great, but not exclusively so. The best thing two things about American culture are 1) multiculturalism and 2) we do it our way. I could live happily in many, but not all places in the world. Geopolitics is not a zero sum game where in order for the US to win other people have to lose. Nationalism is dependent upon that wrong-headed premise.

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Old 10-22-2018, 11:30 PM   #5
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:44 PM   #6
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:46 PM   #7
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No ****ing shit.
I mean, I can potentially be either of these things. I know the dictionary definitions, but I also know ambiguous ambush words.

Oh, I think we should give foreign aid. I'm a globalist!

Oh, I think we should protect our borders. Nationalist!
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:52 PM   #8
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I mean, I can potentially be either of these things. I know the dictionary definitions, but I also know ambiguous ambush words.

Oh, I think we should give foreign aid. I'm a globalist!

Oh, I think we should protect our borders. Nationalist!
I suppose foreign aid is acceptable, as long as we receive more value than they receive in return for the price. If not, screw ‘em.
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Old 10-23-2018, 12:03 AM   #9
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I suppose foreign aid is acceptable, as long as we receive more value than they receive in return for the price. If not, screw em.
What if the people of both countries gain more than the US invests? Zero sum game thinking is for losers.
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Old 10-23-2018, 12:10 AM   #10
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What if the people of both countries gain more than the US invests? Zero sum game thinking is for losers.
Thats fine, as long as our gain is greater than theirs.
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Thats fine, as long as our gain is greater than theirs.


If I can flush $100 down the toilet with the guarantee that I will get $110 back while you get $20 for zero outlay I am going to run up a hell of a water bill. If I am better off why do I care if you make out better than me? You might even decide to help me down the road.
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If I can flush $100 down the toilet with the guarantee that I will get $110 back while you get $20 for zero outlay I am going to run up a hell of a water bill. If I am better off why do I care if you make out better than me? You might even decide to help me down the road.
I cant imagine a way Id be willing to help you. After all, I have standards and limits to what Im willing to do in the pursuit of personal gain.
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I am globalist because I believe this planet is far superior for humans than any other planet that our current technology allows us to inhabit. I identify with being human more strongly than I identify with being an American, a mammal, a male, or white. I am human and have empathy for other humans. I enjoy, appreciate, and respect human culture from many places and times in history. The future of humanity is bright because people in general are awesome.

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I am not a nationalist. Why? I do not consider the US to have a monopoly on freedom, representative government, fighting against evil, or human rights. Our culture is great, but not exclusively so. The best thing two things about American culture are 1) multiculturalism and 2) we do it our way. I could live happily in many, but not all places in the world. Geopolitics is not a zero sum game where in order for the US to win other people have to lose. Nationalism is dependent upon that wrong-headed premise.

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Old 10-23-2018, 01:57 AM   #15
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By the way, I'm a nationalist because **** other countries. I'm a human first yadda yadda but their countries are garbage reflections of their underbaked understandings of the enlightenment. America is the last hope for freedom in this world right now. There is not another Western country that even remotely comes close. Pretending that there is only unravels the facade of intellect for those that try to argue it.
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