Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 532

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

WhawhaWhat · 07-29-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Not really. Rios is what this team is lacking, a big bat. Not to mention in 2014 he will play out of his mind since he will be looking for another big contract.

The White Sox have asked for two top prospects plus a lesser player for Alex Rios without much luck, hears ESPN's Jayson Stark. Stark feels it's possible the Sox could pull Rios back and market him in the offseason.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 07-29-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

The White Sox have asked for two top prospects plus a lesser player for Alex Rios without much luck, hears ESPN's Jayson Stark. Stark feels it's possible the Sox could pull Rios back and market him in the offseason.

That sounds about right for GMDM.

AndChiefs · 07-29-2013, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

The White Sox have asked for two top prospects plus a lesser player for Alex Rios without much luck, hears ESPN's Jayson Stark. Stark feels it's possible the Sox could pull Rios back and market him in the offseason.

No. No. No.

Demonpenz · 07-29-2013, 02:29 PM

Rondell Rios.

Ceej · 07-29-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AndChiefs

No. No. No.

This. This. This.

duncan_idaho · 07-29-2013, 02:37 PM

Missed a couple of pages while running a meeting.

Santana signing a one-year deal... I think the odds of this happening are INCREDIBLY low. Considering the thin FA market, someone will be willing to give him 3-4 years and sacrifice the first-round pick. It might be for 4 years, $40 million, but that's still a better deal for him, long-term, than another 1-year deal at the qualifying offer price. Santana's track record is similar - and superior in some aspects - to that of Anibal Sanchez, and we saw the money he got.

And as to the actual value of Howie Kendrick... I'm gong to make DeezNuts really happy and once again mention... TISTAAPP.

I like Ventura a lot. I was praising him as a prospect probably before anyone on this board, and before all the prospect guys EXCEPT for Jason Parks at BP. I am probably his biggest fan. But he's still a prospect. He's still a guy with some significant flaws.

If you can get 2.5 years of a top 10 2B like Howie Kendrick for him, you have to look at it.

I'd probably still back up and try to see if I could make that a Kyle Smith + Cheslor Cuthbert/Orlando Calixte + Christian Colon + Brett Eibner deal, or something like that. But if it gets to the point where it's Ventura or bust, I wouldn't let it bust.

siberian khatru · 07-29-2013, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Rondell Rios.

Deberg_1990 · 07-29-2013, 02:40 PM

Trade Hoch, move Davis to bullpen, Duffy or Will Smith moves into starter role. Profit.../Rany
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Ceej · 07-29-2013, 02:42 PM

I understand getting something for basically nothing is nice - but would we get anything of substance for Blowchaver?

Prison Bitch · 07-29-2013, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'd probably still back up and try to see if I could make that a Kyle Smith + Cheslor Cuthbert/Orlando Calixte + Christian Colon + Brett Eibner deal, or something like that.

To which you'd be met with hysterical laughter, and then a "click" sound on the other line.

**DeezNutz** · 07-29-2013, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Missed a couple of pages while running a meeting.

Santana signing a one-year deal... I think the odds of this happening are INCREDIBLY low. Considering the thin FA market, someone will be willing to give him 3-4 years and sacrifice the first-round pick. It might be for 4 years, $40 million, but that's still a better deal for him, long-term, than another 1-year deal at the qualifying offer price. Santana's track record is similar - and superior in some aspects - to that of Anibal Sanchez, and we saw the money he got.

And as to the actual value of Howie Kendrick... I'm gong to make DeezNuts really happy and once again mention... TISTAAPP.

I like Ventura a lot. I was praising him as a prospect probably before anyone on this board, and before all the prospect guys EXCEPT for Jason Parks at BP. I am probably his biggest fan. But he's still a prospect. He's still a guy with some significant flaws.

If you can get 2.5 years of a top 10 2B like Howie Kendrick for him, you have to look at it.

I'd probably still back up and try to see if I could make that a Kyle Smith + Cheslor Cuthbert/Orlando Calixte + Christian Colon + Brett Eibner deal, or something like that. But if it gets to the point where it's Ventura or bust, I wouldn't let it bust.

Absolutely. And to add, the Royals control Gordon and Butler for only the next couple of years, too. So the window is pretty clearly defined.

Go get a real 2B.

WhawhaWhat · 07-29-2013, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Missed a couple of pages while running a meeting.

Santana signing a one-year deal... I think the odds of this happening are INCREDIBLY low. Considering the thin FA market, someone will be willing to give him 3-4 years and sacrifice the first-round pick. It might be for 4 years, $40 million, but that's still a better deal for him, long-term, than another 1-year deal at the qualifying offer price. Santana's track record is similar - and superior in some aspects - to that of Anibal Sanchez, and we saw the money he got.

And as to the actual value of Howie Kendrick... I'm gong to make DeezNuts really happy and once again mention... TISTAAPP.

I like Ventura a lot. I was praising him as a prospect probably before anyone on this board, and before all the prospect guys EXCEPT for Jason Parks at BP. I am probably his biggest fan. But he's still a prospect. He's still a guy with some significant flaws.

If you can get 2.5 years of a top 10 2B like Howie Kendrick for him, you have to look at it.

I'd probably still back up and try to see if I could make that a Kyle Smith + Cheslor Cuthbert/Orlando Calixte + Christian Colon + Brett Eibner deal, or something like that. But if it gets to the point where it's Ventura or bust, I wouldn't let it bust.

Send all of them and take Trumbo as well.

siberian khatru · 07-29-2013, 02:51 PM

Ex-Royal George "Boomer" Scott died Sunday.

ChiefsCountry · 07-29-2013, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Send all of them and take Trumbo as well.

Trumbo's bat would be nice.

duncan_idaho · 07-29-2013, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

To which you'd be met with hysterical laughter, and then a "click" sound on the other line.

The Angels front office is notoriously dumb when it comes to trades. It's like making a fantasy trade with a bad owner... you throw out a low first offer to see what happens.

I'm also thinking they value Cuthbert and Calixte pretty highly ... their minor league system blows and they need help at 3B. I remember them being connected with Cuthbert before KC nabbed him, so he probably has more value to that FO than others (and he IS a former top 100 prospect who put up impressive numbers for his age at A+ ball and isn't being overwhelmed at AA despite being the youngest player in the league).

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1780308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1780308	Missed a couple of pages while running a meeting. Santana signing a one-year deal... I think the odds of this happening are INCREDIBLY low. Considering the thin FA market, someone will be willing to give him 3-4 years and sacrifice the first-round pick. It might be for 4 years, $40 million, but that's still a better deal for him, long-term, than another 1-year deal at the qualifying offer price. Santana's track record is similar - and superior in some aspects - to that of Anibal Sanchez, and we saw the money he got. And as to the actual value of Howie Kendrick... I'm gong to make DeezNuts really happy and once again mention... TISTAAPP. I like Ventura a lot. I was praising him as a prospect probably before anyone on this board, and before all the prospect guys EXCEPT for Jason Parks at BP. I am probably his biggest fan. But he's still a prospect. He's still a guy with some significant flaws. If you can get 2.5 years of a top 10 2B like Howie Kendrick for him, you have to look at it. I'd probably still back up and try to see if I could make that a Kyle Smith + Cheslor Cuthbert/Orlando Calixte + Christian Colon + Brett Eibner deal, or something like that. But if it gets to the point where it's Ventura or bust, I wouldn't let it bust. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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