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Old 01-10-2009, 11:31 PM  
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Survey of Draft Websites: Chiefs will pick...

Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...odd&id=3803148

Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
http://www.draftseason.com/lupagus-nfl-mock-draft

Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
http://newnfldraft.com/

Aaron Curry, OLB Wake Forest
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/nflmockdraft.html

James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7...raft-round-one

This site compiles draft 'experts' picks. Out of the top 25, only 3 have Bradford falling to the Chiefs at #3 while 9 have Matt Stafford falling to the 3rd overrall (!) and 3 have Orakpo and 3 have Curry being selected as the 3rd overall pick. Just 12 of 25 project a QB to be selected as the 3rd overall (assuming most realize KC has the #3 pick). 10 of the 25 have defensive players being selected #3.

The rationale provided by many of the draft websites is that the Chiefs should continue to develop Tyler Thigpen and draft to address the NFL's worst _efense which set an NFL record for fewest sacks in league history.

Of course the X factor is the new GM, but I thought it was interesting that Sam Bradford was not a slam dunk for most draft web sites, and fewer than 50% see Kansas City drafting a QB at all.

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Old 01-11-2009, 12:55 AM   #16
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Thigpen outplayed Ryan really.......is 54% better than 61% now?
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:00 AM   #17
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Thigpen outplayed Ryan really.......is 54% better than 61% now?
Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:00 AM   #18
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IF statistically speaking, Thigpen outplayed Ryan and Flacco as first year starters (which he did) why would we be talking about drafting his replacement?

Crabtree...Monroe...Oher...Brown...Orakpo should be our top choices
If Sanchez(declares) or Stafford aren't available I'm starting to believe that KC might trade down and select Aaron Curry.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:01 AM   #19
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Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.
Even if one accepts all those things as true, statistically speaking, Thigpen still did not outplay Ryan or Flacco.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:02 AM   #20
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Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.
Yes drafting a real QB will really set back this 2-14 team and it's ability to run the gimmick spread offense...

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Old 01-11-2009, 01:02 AM   #21
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If Sanchez(declares) or Stafford aren't available I'm starting to believe that KC might trade down and select Aaron Curry.
Everything I have heard about Curry says he's a slam dunk for the NFL. Heaven knows in the Cover Who we have a sucking chest wound at ILB.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:03 AM   #22
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Yes drafting a real QB will really set back this 2-14 team and it's ability to run the gimmick spread offense...

Whatever will we do!
Who do you want with the 3rd pick if Stafford is gone? IIRC you aren't a fan of Bradford.
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You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:04 AM   #24
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Who do you want with the 3rd pick if Stafford is gone? IIRC you aren't a fan of Bradford.
Give me some kind of clarification of who's in the draft and who's been picked and I'll give you my answer.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:05 AM   #25
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Give me some kind of clarification of who's in the draft and who's been picked and I'll give you my answer.
Let's say Stafford and Andre Smith are gone.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:06 AM   #26
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Even if one accepts all those things as true, statistically speaking, Thigpen still did not outplay Ryan or Flacco.
Uh, completion % and QB rating are not the only stats. Thigpen threw, ran or caught for 22 TDs, way more than either Flacco or Ryan. And he had to dig an offense out of a hole after playing back up to the back up QB all camp and early in the season and could not count on his _efense for anything.

I commend both Ryan and Flacco for guiding their teams to 11-5 seasons and the playoffs. But they have far superior supporting casts.
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You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?
Dude, I said trade down, but "you can't pick this player at this point" is getting tired. If that player is A LB and the BPA you select him (Derrick Thomas, Junior Seau)
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Let's say Stafford and Andre Smith are gone.
Is Sanchez in the draft?
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You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?
And by draft time, we might be just that, got it?
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Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.
Not this shit again...
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