Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 178

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

That's nuts. Ichiro is impressed with that number.

He was our number 6 hitter that year, too...7 the previous year.

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

That is crazy if true.

I was wrong. Dye did it 99-01.

okcchief · 04-10-2013, 02:59 PM

Loving this thread. Lots of names I have thought about in a while.

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 03:01 PM

Tartabull last started in RF on opening day in 1991. How many RF can you name who have started there opening day since him? There have been 14.

DJ's left nut · 04-10-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

You know how Darrell Porter died?

Tragically.

Heart failure while pushing a stalled vehicle, correct?

I also recall that there were some rumors that perhaps his drug demons had caught up to him again and that it may have played a role in his death.

EDIT:

Guess they confirmed it was the coke that did him in, eh?

http://archive.apsportseditors.org/c...ns.first3.html

**Saul Good** · 04-10-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

Loving this thread. Lots of names I have thought about in a while.

Wait until you see this list...

**gblowfish** · 04-10-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Heart failure while pushing a stalled vehicle, correct?

I also recall that there were some rumors that perhaps his drug demons had caught up to him again and that it may have played a role in his death.

EDIT:

Guess they confirmed it was the coke that did him in, eh?

http://archive.apsportseditors.org/c...ns.first3.html

He was out snorting coke in his car. He went to a county park underneath the Missouri River bridge on MO Hwy 291 -which runs from Sugar Creek on the south bank towards Liberty on the north. He got coked up, his car got stuck in the sand on a tree stump, and it was a 100 degree day. He died trying to push his car out of the sand by himself. And this was after he had been thru rehab, and was giving kids "just say no" speeches. Sad example of a drug backslide.

You can read about it here:
http://www.bpsports.net/bpsports.asp?ID=3505

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Wait until you see this list...

Just off the top of my head, I can only think of three -

Frenchy
Dye
Guile

I guess that just shows what a mishmosh cluster right field has been for this team over the years.

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 03:15 PM

I think Gordon might have actually had a few starts in right, as well.

**DeezNutz** · 04-10-2013, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Have fun trying to 'win now' with Jeff Francouer in the middle of your order.

And you were arguing with me about importance of trading Soria when the team was complete ass. Can't win without a closer in the playoffs, etc.

Now, the playoffs are a "real" possibility, and you're advocating the team trade two of its key pieces in the pen, including the likely closer?

OK. DM might be dumb enough to fall for this shit, but a decent number of posters in this thread won't. We're not STL fans; you're not getting ****ing ovation when you exit.

BigCatDaddy · 04-10-2013, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Just off the top of my head, I can only think of three -

Frenchy
Dye
Guile

I guess that just shows what a mishmosh cluster right field has been for this team over the years.

Costa?

Tytanium · 04-10-2013, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Just off the top of my head, I can only think of three -

Frenchy
Dye
Guile

I guess that just shows what a mishmosh cluster right field has been for this team over the years.

Jose Guillen
Mark Teahen
David DeJesus
Jeff Francouer
Jermaine Dye
Aaron Guiel
Reggie Sanders
Michael Tucker
Emil Brown
Matt Stairs
Jon Nunnally
Felix Jose
Jim Eisenreich
Danny Tartabull

Good god..

Hootie · 04-10-2013, 03:18 PM

guy just googled that and ruined trivia time

thanks a lot

**Bowser** · 04-10-2013, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tytanium

Jose Guillen
Mark Teahen
David DeJesus
Jeff Francouer
Jermaine Dye
Aaron Guiel
Reggie Sanders
Michael Tucker
Emil Brown
Matt Stairs
Jon Nunnally
Felix Jose
Jim Eisenreich
Danny Tartabull

Good god..

Wow. Now there is a list. Felix Jose, lol.

And I got Gordon confused with Teahan. It's like they had no conceivable idea on where to play him.

Tytanium · 04-10-2013, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

guy just googled that and ruined trivia time

thanks a lot

baseball-reference is the best. I could have sworn Damon started in right, but I guess not.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1800308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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