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Old 10-31-2018, 10:45 AM  
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Will Trump Issue the Executive Order.....

…..attempting to end "birthright citizenship."

I don't believe that he actually intends to issue the order. Is it just more Trump bullshit, or do you think it's real?

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Old 10-31-2018, 10:51 AM   #2
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I don't think he'll sign an EO denying birthright citizenship to all children born to illegals, but I could see him signing one that is less comprehensive, like directing the passport office not to issue passports to children of diplomats (as mentioned by BEP in the other thread).
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:00 AM   #3
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I don't think he'll sign an EO denying birthright citizenship to all children born to illegals, but I could see him signing one that is less comprehensive, like directing the passport office not to issue passports to children of diplomats (as mentioned by BEP in the other thread).
Not following you. Children of foreign diplomats don't obtain "birthright citizenship." They would never be issued a US passport.
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:04 AM   #4
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Not following you. Children of foreign diplomats don't obtain "birthright citizenship." They would never be issued a US passport.
I don't know if that's the case or not, but some are suggesting that it's not:

https://cis.org/Report/Birthright-Ci...eign-Diplomats
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:04 AM   #5
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You need a "I don't know" option. Sorry will not vote in your black and white world.
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:04 AM   #6
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LOL, that would be an amazing bait-and-switch if Trump just the children of diplomats from getting citizenship.
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:12 AM   #7
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:16 AM   #8
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I don't know if that's the case or not, but some are suggesting that it's not:

https://cis.org/Report/Birthright-Ci...eign-Diplomats
Passport Office giving passports to children of diplomats was reported as being done by the Constitution professor Dr. John Eastman last night on Laura Ingraham's show The Angle. But it's a new thing that's being done; has never been done before.

7:30 - starts his explanation regarding the "jurisdiction" clause is about partial territorial jurisdiction of US which also applies to non-citizens born here including the children of tourists and diplomats; and how Trump's EO simply enforces what Congress has already codified into applicable law, the Section 1401 which uses the same language as Constitution's 14th Amendment

11:45- Where Dr. Eastman reports that Passport Office has been giving U.S. passports to children of foreign diplomats which has never been done before.

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Old 10-31-2018, 11:18 AM   #9
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I don't know if that's the case or not, but some are suggesting that it's not:

https://cis.org/Report/Birthright-Ci...eign-Diplomats
https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/H...-Chapter3.html

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Foreign diplomats enjoy certain immunities under international law. The spouse and child of a diplomat generally enjoy similar immunities. Children born in the United States to accredited foreign diplomatic officers do not acquire citizenship under the 14th Amendment since they are not “born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” [2] DHS regulations, however, have long allowed these children to choose to be considered lawful permanent residents (LPRs) from the time of birth. [3]
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...e=se8.1.101_13

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(a) Person born to foreign diplomat—(1) Status of person. A person born in the United States to a foreign diplomatic officer accredited to the United States, as a matter of international law, is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. That person is not a United States citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. Such a person may be considered a lawful permanent resident at birth.
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Looks to me like such an EO would be legal and Constitutional—though impermanent and also definitely would be challenged in the courts. As of now, I think it's a legal EO since it enforces even the codified law by Congress. Still better to have it cleaned up more by statute—which would also be challenged no doubt by the litigious anti-Trumpers and litigious left. Risky either way even if it just goes to SC instead of Congress 'cuz either way the Globalists will work to get it to the SC where even Connedservative SC justices aren't always reliable.

Laura's show also covered what I said yesterday—the burgeoning maternity industry in hotels where foreign women await the birth of the baby to get
automatic citizenship. Chinese nationals, Tawainese, Russians, Indians all kinds of foreigners. Russians prefer Miami per the show.
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:23 AM   #11
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You need a "I don't know" option. Sorry will not vote in your black and white world.
If there was an "I don't know option," everyone could appropriately check that box, because none of us "knows."

It's a question of what you think will happen. Your prediction, based upon all you know about Trump, and all you know about this particular subject.
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LOL, that would be an amazing bait-and-switch if Trump just the children of diplomats from getting citizenship.
Since they don't already, it would be, well, stupid. It would be as if he issued an executive order prohibiting first degree murder. It's already illegal.
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Voting no because I think what he said was meant to whip votes for the midterm as well as to set the stage for potential legislative action should the GOP win/hold enough seats in both houses for the next Congress.
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:57 AM   #15
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Yeah?
Yeah.

So if Trump wants to limit his EO to children born to foreign diplomats, I have no objection, as it's already the status quo.
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