***Official Laundry Jones Sucks Thread***

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Do not want.



That's all.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

I have a sick feeling that if Pioli somehow remains our GM next season...he will pull some shit and Laundry will be our QB next season. fml

He does seem to be Pioli's type of man.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Laundry Jones just went full Cassel.

Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment

Never go full Cassel

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I haven't seen any Landry Jones love anywhere. Just another ree post to put in line with his other 38,000 ree posts.

[Reerun_KC]

This guy is absolute garbage. Dudes draft stock is dropping faster than mine.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Point being: everyone on cp hates landry because we've all watched him. He's cassel with an arm. I do not support landry.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Point being: everyone on cp hates landry because we've all watched him. He's cassel with an arm. I do not support landry.

There was a thread where I took a beatdown bashing laundry. I remember the conversation but can't find the thread. I.posted a Barkley vs Jones video also. There were some here defending Jones pretty heavily.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This dude is garbage.

[Sorter]

Thought I should Gif this thread the **** up!

[DJ's left nut]

Alright, I'm gonna get murdered here, but SNR gave a half-hearted endorsement of Jones w/ a later pick so I figured I'd give him a second look.

I had him compared to Kyle Boller in my previous QB comparison sheet but I think I undersold him a little.

Jones isn't a 1st round QB and he's not a 2nd round QB. He may be, however, worth a 3rd round flyer if you have already drafted Smith, Wilson or Bray in the first. He could be our version of Kirk Cousins backing up RGIII.

Even in that clip above, watch some of the things he's doing there. He does a great job with his drop back (keeps his feet under him and shuffles them fast to the point). He keeps his hands high in his drop back as well, which should help him a great deal to keep his release speed up.

As I watched him in the ND game, I saw a ton of stuff that the kid actually does right. He stays up on his toes and is constantly 'popping' his feet, which should allow him to scan the field very quickly. His release is good, but not great. He loops the ball back just a little more than I'd like to see, but it's certainly adequate and I think it can be sped up a bit.

His arm strength is obviously top notch and his mechanics should lend themselves to being accurate. They're fairly conventional, so they should be easily repeatable. His accuracy doesn't look like it will be elite, but he can get it to average, IMO. He drives the nose of the ball down, telling us that he gets very good velocity out of his hand as well. He should be able to throw a tremendous deep ball.

He also has as good a QB build as anyone in the draft. He should be able to take a big hit and keep on trucking.

The same people that loved them some Foles or Cousins seem to hate this guy and I think that's just nuts. Jones is every bit the QB prospect as either of those guys. I also think he's a better prospect than everyone's favorite in Russell Wilson, but I see enough separation in styles, etc... to understand why people prefer Wilson over Jones.

The biggest problem for Jones is going to be that he's a victim of hype. If people would have just called Jones a 3rd round prospect all along, I think we'd be more inclined to look at his strengths than his weaknesses and we could get behind him as a backup option and possible developmental arm to be traded in a year or two if he is able to come along well.

If a team takes Jones and slowly brings him along, I think they can get more of a Flacco level QB, or perhaps the Josh Freeman we're seeing this season.

He can't be our savior at the position, but I would absolutely be behind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I also think he's a better prospect than everyone's favorite in Russell Wilson

I love your takes DJ but this is where I stopped reading.

Russell is a much better player, leader, and actually performs in the clutch. Additionally, Wilson had experience in 2 different pro-philosophies and is a better passer. His mobility is also another tool that Jones will never have.

Sorry, but to me Jones isn't remotely close to the kind of prospect Wilson is. Wilson's only knock was his height; not his decision making, scheme, or anything else.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Alright, I'm gonna get murdered here, but SNR gave a half-hearted endorsement of Jones w/ a later pick so I figured I'd give him a second look.

I had him compared to Kyle Boller in my previous QB comparison sheet but I think I undersold him a little.

Jones isn't a 1st round QB and he's not a 2nd round QB. He may be, however, worth a 3rd round flyer if you have already drafted Smith, Wilson or Bray in the first. He could be our version of Kirk Cousins backing up RGIII.

Even in that clip above, watch some of the things he's doing there. He does a great job with his drop back (keeps his feet under him and shuffles them fast to the point). He keeps his hands high in his drop back as well, which should help him a great deal to keep his release speed up.

As I watched him in the ND game, I saw a ton of stuff that the kid actually does right. He stays up on his toes and is constantly 'popping' his feet, which should allow him to scan the field very quickly. His release is good, but not great. He loops the ball back just a little more than I'd like to see, but it's certainly adequate and I think it can be sped up a bit.

His arm strength is obviously top notch and his mechanics should lend themselves to being accurate. They're fairly conventional, so they should be easily repeatable. His accuracy doesn't look like it will be elite, but he can get it to average, IMO. He drives the nose of the ball down, telling us that he gets very good velocity out of his hand as well. He should be able to throw a tremendous deep ball.

He also has as good a QB build as anyone in the draft. He should be able to take a big hit and keep on trucking.

The same people that loved them some Foles or Cousins seem to hate this guy and I think that's just nuts. Jones is every bit the QB prospect as either of those guys. I also think he's a better prospect than everyone's favorite in Russell Wilson, but I see enough separation in styles, etc... to understand why people prefer Wilson over Jones.

The biggest problem for Jones is going to be that he's a victim of hype. If people would have just called Jones a 3rd round prospect all along, I think we'd be more inclined to look at his strengths than his weaknesses and we could get behind him as a backup option and possible developmental arm to be traded in a year or two if he is able to come along well.

If a team takes Jones and slowly brings him along, I think they can get more of a Flacco level QB, or perhaps the Josh Freeman we're seeing this season.

He can't be our savior at the position, but I would absolutely be behind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd.

I agree, and I'll add one more thing. The reason people don't like him as much as some of the other mid-round darlings its that purple around here have seen to much of him. People who loved Foles our Lindley, or whomever, hardly ever saw them play. They may have seen some highlights or a good game or two, but they have seen Landry ten times, and that is more than enough to take the shine off.

If you aren't a top of the first round QB, you've got some MAJOR flaws. Period. In fact, mid-round QBs are almost never legit NFL starters. You're more likely to find a franchise QB at the bottom of the draft or even as a UDFA than with picks 50-150.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I love your takes DJ but this is where I stopped reading.

Russell is a much better player, leader, and actually performs in the clutch. Additionally, Wilson had experience in 2 different pro-philosophies and is a better passer. His mobility is also another tool that Jones will never have.

Sorry, but to me Jones isn't remotely close to the kind of prospect Wilson is. Wilson's only knock was his height; not his decision making, scheme, or anything else.

I know, folks love Wilson.

I see so very little about him to be impressed by. He has a decent game every now and then, but c'mon, if Jones had the games that Wilson's had this year, we'd be barbequing him as an inconsistent trainwreck.

He's had 3 legitimately awful games this year, 2 good games and then a bunch of 'meh' games in between. Worse still, one of his good games was that game against Dallas where you or I could've quarterbacked them to a W; I've not seen a team get physically manhandled that badly all season, including the Chiefs. His game against the Packers was a mess, I don't care what the stats say (and the gift TD made that passer rating look a hell of a lot better).

Moreover, he just isn't projectable as a passer; he's physically maxed out, IMO. People are still killing Barkley for his arm strength but it's better than Wilson's.

He's the Golden Child for a lot of guys on the board and I am well aware of it. I just don't see it. He won't be a starting QB in 3 years, IMO.

Like I said, they're different enough guys that I'll give the people that like him a pass; there are clearly separations between the two that could make people like Wilson over Jones. That said, I don't buy them. Wilson may be one of those guys that gets taken along for the ride by a superior defense one of these days, but he's never going to be anything more than a barely adequate NFL quarterback.

He's a guy that any team with designs on a championship should be looking to replace, IMO. The hype around a short, erratic QB with questionable accuracy and decision-making is fairly nuts to me.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I know, folks love Wilson.

I see so very little about him to be impressed by. He has a decent game every now and then, but c'mon, if Jones had the games that Wilson's had this year, we'd be barbequing him as an inconsistent trainwreck.

He's had 3 legitimately awful games this year, 2 good games and then a bunch of 'meh' games in between. Worse still, one of his good games was that game against Dallas where you or I could've quarterbacked them to a W; I've not seen a team get physically manhandled that badly all season, including the Chiefs. His game against the Packers was a mess, I don't care what the stats say (and the gift TD made that passer rating look a hell of a lot better).

Moreover, he just isn't projectable as a passer; he's physically maxed out, IMO. People are still killing Barkley for his arm strength but it's better than Wilson's.

He's the Golden Child for a lot of guys on the board and I am well aware of it. I just don't see it. He won't be a starting QB in 3 years, IMO.

Like I said, they're different enough guys that I'll give the people that like him a pass; there are clearly separations between the two that could make people like Wilson over Jones. That said, I don't buy them. Wilson may be one of those guys that gets taken along for the ride by a superior defense one of these days, but he's never going to be anything more than a barely adequate NFL quarterback.

He's a guy that any team with designs on a championship should be looking to replace, IMO. The hype around a short, erratic QB with questionable accuracy and decision-making is fairly nuts to me.

I disagree with most of this post but mainly the bolded part. You're entitled to your opinion and you're not a dunce. I enjoy these discussions. I'll provide a more in-depth analysis of Wilson v. Jones later if you'd like and I'd love for you to go over it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I disagree with most of this post but mainly the bolded part. You're entitled to your opinion and you're not a dunce. I enjoy these discussions. I'll provide a more in-depth analysis of Wilson v. Jones later if you'd like and I'd love for you to go over it.

Hey - this ain't Dane here, I'll take a look at whatever you've got (Sorry, Dane...)

The problem with Wilson's arm strength is one of pure leverage. On intermediate routes, he can't get on top of the ball and fire into seams. Watch his 'bullets' on intermediate routes - the nose is up on most of them. That gives something of a float effect to the ball and makes it easier for DBs to drive on them and knock them away.

It's less of a deep ball concern, where you're putting so much arch on it that it's getting over the line fairly easily anyway, than it is an out route or even crossing pattern problem. He can't get on top of the ball and drive it down into areas. It may only cost him 1/2 a second on a 15 yard pass, but that 1/2 a second is enough to get it batted away. He has to be much crisper and much cleaner with his decisions than a guy like Jones or even Barkley (though Barkley's also a little shortish) would have to be because they can buy a little time on those routes by getting up on their toes, getting on top of the ball and rifling it downhill. Wilson only has that option if his line has given him a clear line of sight and throwing lane, and if they did so at the exact moment that his WR comes into that lane. It happens, but it's certainly not ideal.

That's actually where I was incredibly impressed with Jones Saturday. That kid can throw a rocket 20 yards up the seam in his sleep. He can stay on top of the ball and drive it through coverage. Because of his height, the ball spends most of its flight on a downward plane and it just sticks right into those small windows. DBs have very little chance to make a play on the ball if he doesn't telegraph it.

Unfortunately, sometimes he does. That's where Jones has to develop his game. His physical skills, however, are immense.

[Saul Good]

Wilson has a considerably bigger arm than Barkley. He's never going to be anything more than a well below average NFL starter, though.