Division by Division All-Star Teams

[ThaVirus]

http://davedameshek.nfl.com/2013/07/..._blog_dameshek

...

A few other quick notes: We’ve eschewed the fullback position in favor of adding a third wide receiver to each offensive lineup. (Sorry, old schoolers: If you haven’t heard, it’s a passing league … and besides, it’s more fun this way.) You’ll also see we’ve put the defenses into either 4-3 or 3-4 formations based on what we feel best suits the available talent. Additionally, please note we’ve skipped the special teams. Yeah, yeah, all three phases of the game are important. Then again, there’s a grilled wiener and several beers waiting for me — you can do it if you’re sufficiently upset by the grievous oversight.

And now, behold the teams, assembled in ascending order of strength:

8. AFC EAST
Coach: Bill Belichick

OFFENSE
Quarterback: Tom Brady
Running back: C.J. Spiller
Wide receivers: Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace, Santonio Holmes
Tight end: Rob Gronkowski
Offensive tackles: D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Nate Solder
Guards: Logan Mankins, Richie Incognito
Center: Nick Mangold

DEFENSE (4-3)
Defensive ends: Mario Williams, Cameron Wake
Defensive tackles: Vince Wilfork, Kyle Williams
Outside linebackers: Jerod Mayo, David Harris
Inside linebacker: Dannell Ellerbe
Cornerback: Antonio Cromartie, Stephon Gilmore
Safeties: Devin McCourty, Jairus Byrd

Number of players by team …
Bills: 6
Dolphins: 4
Jets: 5
Patriots: 7

Analysis: Brady notwithstanding, the offense is pretty crummy. And the defense might be even worse.



7. AFC SOUTH
Coach: Gary Kubiak

OFFENSE
Quarterback: Andrew Luck
Running back: Arian Foster
Wide receivers: Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Kenny Britt
Tight end: Owen Daniels
Offensive tackles: Duane Brown, Eugene Monroe
Guards: Wade Smith, Andy Levitre
Center: Chris Myers

DEFENSE (4-3)
Defensive ends: Robert Mathis, Antonio Smith
Defensive tackles: J.J. Watt, Cory Redding
Outside linebackers: Brian Cushing, Pat Angerer
Inside linebacker: Paul Posluzny
Cornerback: Johnathan Joseph, Vontae Davis
Safeties: Ed Reed, Michael Griffin

Number of players by team …
Colts: 6
Jaguars: 2
Texans: 11
Titans: 3

Analysis: One man — even one as good as J.J. Watt — does not a defense make. Likewise, one team’s roster does not make for a great divisional squad, and the AFC South is too dependent on the Texans’ best players.



6. AFC WEST
Coach: Andy Reid

OFFENSE
Quarterback: Peyton Manning
Running back: Jamaal Charles
Wide receivers: Demaryius Thomas, Wes Welker, Dwayne Bowe
Tight end: Antonio Gates
Offensive tackles: Ryan Clady, Brandon Albert
Guards: Louis Vasquez, Geoff Schwartz
Center: Nick Hardwick

DEFENSE (4-3)
Defensive ends: Dwight Freeney, Tamba Hali
Defensive tackles: Tyson Jackson, Corey Liuget
Outside linebackers: Von Miller, Justin Houston
Inside linebacker: Derrick Johnson
Cornerback: Brandon Flowers, Champ Bailey
Safeties: Eric Berry, Eric Weddle

Number of players by team …
Broncos: 6
Chargers: 6
Chiefs: 10
Raiders: 0

Analysis: Neither unit lacks for big-time playmakers, but the collective team likely gets pushed around by more physical divisions.



5. NFC EAST
Coach: Tom Coughlin

OFFENSE
Quarterback: Robert Griffin III
Running back: “Shady” McCoy
Wide receivers: Dez Bryant, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz
Tight end: Jason Witten
Offensive tackles: Jason Peters, Trent Williams
Guards: Evan Mathis, Todd Herremans
Center: Phil Costa

DEFENSE (4-3)
Defensive ends: DeMarcus Ware, Jason Pierre-Paul
Defensive tackles: Jay Ratliff, Fletcher Cox
Outside linebackers: Ryan Kerrigan, Anthony Spencer
Inside linebacker: Sean Lee
Cornerback: Brandon Carr, Morris Claiborne
Safeties: Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips

Number of players by team …
Cowboys: 9
Eagles: 5
Giants: 5
Redskins: 3

Analysis: A fascinating cupboard of offensive talent, yes … but the worst secondary of the eight divisions is the team’s undoing.



4. NFC SOUTH
Coach: Sean Payton

OFFENSE
Quarterback: Drew Brees
Running back: Doug Martin
Wide receivers: Julio Jones, Roddy White, Vincent Jackson
Tight end: Jimmy Graham
Offensive tackles: Donald Penn, Jordan Gross
Guards: Carl Nicks, Jhari Evans
Center: Ryan Kalil

DEFENSE (4-3)
Defensive ends: Charles Johnson, Osi Umenyiora
Defensive tackles: Gerald McCoy, Jonathan Babineaux
Outside linebackers: Sean Weatherspoon, Lavonte David
Inside linebacker: Luke Kuechly
Cornerback: Darrelle Revis, Asante Samuel
Safeties: Dashon Goldson, Thomas DeCoud

Number of players by team …
Buccaneers: 7
Falcons: 7
Panthers: 4
Saints: 4

Analysis: Even the galaxy of stars on offense won’t put up enough points to offset the relatively mediocre defense.



3. AFC NORTH
Coach: Mike Tomlin

OFFENSE
Quarterback: Ben Roethlisberger
Running back: Ray Rice
Wide receivers: A.J. Green, Torrey Smith, Antonio Brown
Tight end: Heath Miller
Offensive tackles: Joe Thomas, Andrew Whitworth
Guards: Marshal Yanda, Kevin Zeitler
Center: Maurkice Pouncey

DEFENSE (3-4)
Defensive ends: Michael Johnson, Geno Atkins
Defensive tackles: Haloti Ngata
Outside linebackers: LaMarr Woodley, Terrell Suggs
Inside linebacker: Lawrence Timmons, Vontaze Burfict
Cornerback: Joe Haden, Ike Taylor
Safeties: Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark

Number of players by team …
Bengals: 6
Browns: 2
Ravens: 5
Steelers: 9

Analysis: Running against this defense figures to be a near-impossible challenge for any team, and Roethlisberger relishes the rare opportunity of playing behind a terrific o-line.



2. NFC NORTH
Coach: Mike McCarthy

OFFENSE
Quarterback: Aaron Rodgers
Running back: Adrian Peterson
Wide receivers: Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings
Tight end: Kyle Rudolph
Offensive tackles: Jermon Bushrod, Matt Kalil
Guards: Brandon Fusco, T.J. Lang
Center: John Sullivan

DEFENSE (4-3)
Defensive ends: Jared Allen, Julius Peppers
Defensive tackles: Ndamukong Suh, Henry Melton
Outside linebackers: Clay Matthews, Chad Greenway
Inside linebacker: Stephen Tulloch
Cornerback: “Peanut” Tillman, Sam Shields
Safeties: Harrison Smith, Glover Quin

Number of players by team …
Bears: 5
Lions: 4
Packers: 4
Vikings: 9

Analysis: The NFL’s best players at three offensive skill positions (QB; RB; WR) and a fearsome pass rush (Allen and Peppers and Matthews? Eek!) are undermined ever so slightly by the shoddy o-line.



1. NFC WEST
Coach: Jim Harbaugh

OFFENSE
Quarterback: Colin Kaepernick
Running back: Marshawn Lynch
Wide receivers: Larry Fitzgerald, Percy Harvin, Michael Crabtree
Tight end: Vernon Davis
Offensive tackles: Joe Staley, Russell Okung
Guards: Mike Iupati, James Carpenter
Center: Max Unger

DEFENSE (3-4)
Defensive ends: Chris Long, Darnell Dockett
Defensive tackles: Justin Smith
Outside linebackers: Aldon Smith, Daryl Washington
Inside linebacker: NaVorro Bowman, Patrick Willis
Cornerback: Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman
Safeties: Earl Thomas, Donte Whitner

Number of players by team …
49ers: 10
Cardinals: 4
Rams: 1
Seahawks: 7

Analysis: The NFC West wins thanks a shutdown defense and a rugged offensive line that’ll brutalize all comers. Congratulations, coach Harbaugh — you’re No. 1! Let’s shake on it. Kudos to the NFC in general. Based on our conclusions, all conferences are not created equal. The debate on which division is most dynamic even drew enthusiasm from my friends at the Around the League blog, who kibitzed on the topic in a juicy email chain.

[The Bad Guy]

Moore better than Berry?

Get the **** out of here.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by PGM

Peyton Manning.... Pass first offense

Tyler Thigpen/Brodie Croyle/Damon Huard/Tyler Palko/Matt Cassel....RRPP

Tebow

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Tebow

Peyton Manning

[ThaVirus]

I think Thomas and Bowe are pretty much even.

I'd put them in the 2nd tier of WRs. If you forced me to choose between Bowe, Thomas and Roddy White I'd have to draw from a hat.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by PGM

Peyton Manning

None of the teams that Bowe played on in his first 39 games were nearly as inept at passing as the 2011 Broncos.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

None of the teams that Bowe played on in his first 39 games were nearly as inept at passing as the 2011 Broncos.

They were all inept

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

I thought Antonio Gates took an injury settlement and retired 2 years ago.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I think Thomas and Bowe are pretty much even.

I'd put them in the 2nd tier of WRs. If you forced me to choose between Bowe, Thomas and Roddy White I'd have to draw from a hat.

Talent wise, yes.

Considering everything, though: 31, 28, 25.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Talent wise, yes.

Considering everything, though: 31, 28, 25.

Well there are so many variables its impossible to argue in a vacuum.

Roddy's been the most consistent but he's also had the help of 8 games per season in a dome with a good to great QB in Ryan.

Bowe's production has been a notch below but he's far and away dealt with the shittier QBs (Huard, Croyle, Thigpen, Cassel, Palko, Quinn) and abysmal offensive production.

Thomas just exploded on the scene last season and I don't think it's a coincidence that it happened when they signed the best QB in the history of the league. He didnt make much of a splash with Orton and Tebow chucking the rock...

Anyway, I'd say Manning has 2 more seasons max. I'd prefer to have this convo in 3 or 4 years. By that time we'll know more about Demaryius.

[Quesadilla Joe]

DT had a coming out party in December of 2011 while Tebow was QB. Then he went on and exploded against Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

He was always talented but he kept getting hurt earlier in his career. He had 97 yards and a TD in his first ever NFL game.

[O.city]

Thomas was actually good with Tebow.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

KnowMo, that list contradicts this rep message you sent me a couple days ago:

"They left off Trindon Holliday, John Fox, and Wolfe. The Chiefs may have a bunch of above average players but nobody except Charles is a difference maker. Manning, DT, Holliday, Von, Champ and Clady are ELITE at their positions."

-Based on that shoddy list, the Chiefs and Broncos actually have the same number of "elite" and "high quality" players.

-It specifically said it was nixing special teams in the header. Read more, fap to Peyton's forehead less.

-How would John Fox deserve the spot over Andy Reid? They're both 0-1 in Super Bowls and Reid brought the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games from 01-09. The Eagles were one of the most successful teams during that span. The Panthers? Not so much.

-If you actually agree with this list, then you'll have to agree that Flowers is superior to Champ Bailey. Do it now, KnowMo. Tell us all that you agree that Brandon Flowers is a better CB than Champ Bailey.

What is he smoking?

[ThaVirus]

That's the benefit of having a HOF QB on the roster, he elevates the game of everyone on the offense. Especially a guy like Manning whose game is based on timing me precision. Clady is great but he's the one that should be thanking Manning the most.

[Setsuna]

tbh Thomas wasn't even 100% healthy in at least 8 of those 39 games, if not more.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Thomas has played in 39 games, including playoffs. He has 161 receptions, 2602 yards, and 18 TDs.

Through his first 39 games, Bowe had 183 receptions, 2392 yards, and 16 TDs.

And one of those seasons was with Peyton freaking Manning at QB.