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The people we disagree with are not our enemies

Liberals aren’t stupid. Conservatives aren’t racist. The people we disagree with are not our enemies

BY MARC A. THIESSEN

Washington Post Writers Group
March 21, 2018 08:30 PM
Updated March 21, 2018 08:30 PM

I’m a rock-ribbed conservative who wants Republicans to keep control of Congress. But I’m not unhappy that Republican state Rep. Rick Saccone appears to have lost the special election in Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District.

Why? Because he insulted my mother.

Trailing his Democratic opponent in a district President Donald Trump won by 20 points, but which still has more registered Democrats than Republicans, Saccone hit on a genius idea to turn out the vote: At a campaign rally just before voters went to the polls, he declared that liberals hate America and hate God. “I’ve talked to so many of these on the left,” he said. “And I tell you, many of them have a hatred for our country. … My wife and I saw it again today: They have a hatred for God.”

My mother is a liberal Democrat, and I can tell you: She does not hate America or God. Quite the opposite — she is one of the most patriotic people I know. She grew up in Nazi-occupied Poland, fought with the Polish underground, was taken to Germany as a prisoner of war, was liberated by Patton’s Army and moved to London. Eventually, she became a doctor and made her way to the United States, where she became a U.S. citizen.

There is no one prouder to be an American. When Poland held its first free elections in 1989, Polish Americans living in the United States were invited to vote. Many did so, but my mom refused. She loved the land of her birth, but she was an American citizen now and would not vote in a foreign election. When someone hears her thick Polish accent they often ask, “Where are you from?” She answers proudly: “New York City.”

She’s also a proud Democrat. We disagree about politics, but we both love America and want to make this country great. We just have different ideas about the best ways to do it.

So when Saccone says liberals hate America, he’s talking about my mother. I take it personally. And you should, too.

Whether you are liberal, conservative or in between, I’ll bet that you have a loved one who disagrees with you about politics. It might be a sibling or a parent or a beloved cousin, aunt or uncle — or even your kids. We should not stand for politicians from either party who insult them or question their motives or their patriotism.

Too often, politicians on both the left and right do just that. We saw this recently when, during an event in India, Hillary Clinton insultingly claimed that Trump won the parts of the country that weren’t “moving forward.” She said those voters liked what she characterized as Trump’s message that “you know you didn’t like black people getting rights. You don’t like women, you know, getting jobs. You don’t want, you know, to see that Indian American succeeding more than you are.” If you have a loved one who didn’t vote for Clinton in 2016, you should be offended. I doubt the people you love are against civil rights, or women working, or people of color succeeding. They just thought Clinton was a terrible choice for president — an impression she confirmed with those comments.

We see it in the gun control debate that followed the Parkland, Fla., school shooting. Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy said that if you’re not in favor of immediate action on guns, “you’re an accomplice” to the Parkland killer. Seriously? Do you have a loved one who disagrees with you about gun control? Are they accomplices to mass murder? No, they just disagree that gun control is the solution.

The problem exists on both sides of the aisle, and it’s not just politicians. American Enterprise Institute President Arthur Brooks recalls how a few years ago he was giving a speech at a large conservative event. “I said that while my own views are center-right, I have no reason to believe progressives are stupid or evil,” he recalls. “An audience member countered, ‘You’re wrong: They are stupid and evil.’”

Progressives are not stupid and evil. Conservatives are not racists and misogynists. Our fellow Americans who disagree with us are not our enemies. They are our fellow Americans who differ with us. And we should not put up with politicians, on the left or right, who can’t seem to understand this.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:32 PM   #2
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:35 PM   #3
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I don't remember if I've ever mentioned this before on this forum: I have an identical twin brother. He lives in another state. He is a very conservative Republican, and he is a Trump supporter.

We obviously have some very different political views. We simply agree not to talk politics very often. When we do, we stay polite and respectful. I don't call him a Trumptard, and he doesn't call me a Libtard.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not polite and respectful to the Trump supporters on this site. I will try to do better in that regard. I can't promise perfection, but I can promise that I will try. The article in the OP has inspired me.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:42 PM   #4
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:43 PM   #5
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I don't remember if I've ever mentioned this before on this forum: I have an identical twin brother. He lives in another state. He is a very conservative Republican, and he is a Trump supporter.

We obviously have some very different political views. We simply agree not to talk politics very often. When we do, we stay polite and respectful. I don't call him a Trumptard, and he doesn't call me a Libtard.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not polite and respectful to the Trump supporters on this site. I will try to do better in that regard. I can't promise perfection, but I can promise that I will try. The article in the OP has inspired me.
I too had an imaginary twin brother. But then I left kindergarten.
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I don't remember if I've ever mentioned this before on this forum: I have an identical twin brother. He lives in another state. He is a very conservative Republican, and he is a Trump supporter.

We obviously have some very different political views. We simply agree not to talk politics very often. When we do, we stay polite and respectful. I don't call him a Trumptard, and he doesn't call me a Libtard.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not polite and respectful to the Trump supporters on this site. I will try to do better in that regard. I can't promise perfection, but I can promise that I will try. The article in the OP has inspired me.
I have identical twin boys!! One active duty Marines and the other a welder making stupid kinda money. They are just coming of age so I could have them judged wrongly, but I would say the boy in the Marines is a "Republican" where the welder is more a conservative like myself.

Got to take the Marine to the polls last November for a county wide gravel tax vote. His first time voting
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I have a liberal friend who referred to Hillary as Madame President for the 2 years leading up to the election. Our political conversations usually end up with a mutual "**** off" and then we have a few more beers.
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The one I know is the wife of my brother's buddy. She was/is a Bernie baby. A lawyer in K.C. She wasn't a Hillary fan, but I'm sure she voted for her
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That's a great op-ed, and we could all use a dose of that logic more often.


But then from the very same Washington Post that puts that article out, we get a headline that says "Fealty to Trump Has Become the Coin of the Realm for GOP Senate Candidates". Now what are liberals and progressives going to think when they read that headline? What's the very first thing that is going to pop into their heads? Nothing that lives up to the message put forth in the op-ed. And that's a shame.
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I spend a lot of time meeting people over coffee with my work. For the last few years I've been steering those conversations into religion and politics, shutting my mouth and listening.

It's amazing what you learn when you listen.

And how quickly you realize there are 500,000 issues out there and we all agree on about 499,900 of them. And yet we are convinced there's about 10 issues and we disagree on everything.
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:23 PM   #12
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BY MARC A. THIESSEN

Unless they are progressive communists.
Then they are by birth.. My enemy.
And **** Marc A. Thiessen

Edit// and the rest of you communist bastards as well
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:31 PM   #13
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Tell that to the guy who tried to murder all of those Republican senators.
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I think all things would be much easier to tackle if we all felt more like this article.
I too usually give someone the benefit of the doubt when starting a political discussion. They usually say something very derogatory and start talking down to my side and it ends up not going to well.
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