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Old 04-15-2018, 08:28 PM  
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The people we disagree with are not our enemies

Liberals aren’t stupid. Conservatives aren’t racist. The people we disagree with are not our enemies

BY MARC A. THIESSEN

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March 21, 2018 08:30 PM
Updated March 21, 2018 08:30 PM

I’m a rock-ribbed conservative who wants Republicans to keep control of Congress. But I’m not unhappy that Republican state Rep. Rick Saccone appears to have lost the special election in Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District.

Why? Because he insulted my mother.

Trailing his Democratic opponent in a district President Donald Trump won by 20 points, but which still has more registered Democrats than Republicans, Saccone hit on a genius idea to turn out the vote: At a campaign rally just before voters went to the polls, he declared that liberals hate America and hate God. “I’ve talked to so many of these on the left,” he said. “And I tell you, many of them have a hatred for our country. … My wife and I saw it again today: They have a hatred for God.”

My mother is a liberal Democrat, and I can tell you: She does not hate America or God. Quite the opposite — she is one of the most patriotic people I know. She grew up in Nazi-occupied Poland, fought with the Polish underground, was taken to Germany as a prisoner of war, was liberated by Patton’s Army and moved to London. Eventually, she became a doctor and made her way to the United States, where she became a U.S. citizen.

There is no one prouder to be an American. When Poland held its first free elections in 1989, Polish Americans living in the United States were invited to vote. Many did so, but my mom refused. She loved the land of her birth, but she was an American citizen now and would not vote in a foreign election. When someone hears her thick Polish accent they often ask, “Where are you from?” She answers proudly: “New York City.”

She’s also a proud Democrat. We disagree about politics, but we both love America and want to make this country great. We just have different ideas about the best ways to do it.

So when Saccone says liberals hate America, he’s talking about my mother. I take it personally. And you should, too.

Whether you are liberal, conservative or in between, I’ll bet that you have a loved one who disagrees with you about politics. It might be a sibling or a parent or a beloved cousin, aunt or uncle — or even your kids. We should not stand for politicians from either party who insult them or question their motives or their patriotism.

Too often, politicians on both the left and right do just that. We saw this recently when, during an event in India, Hillary Clinton insultingly claimed that Trump won the parts of the country that weren’t “moving forward.” She said those voters liked what she characterized as Trump’s message that “you know you didn’t like black people getting rights. You don’t like women, you know, getting jobs. You don’t want, you know, to see that Indian American succeeding more than you are.” If you have a loved one who didn’t vote for Clinton in 2016, you should be offended. I doubt the people you love are against civil rights, or women working, or people of color succeeding. They just thought Clinton was a terrible choice for president — an impression she confirmed with those comments.

We see it in the gun control debate that followed the Parkland, Fla., school shooting. Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy said that if you’re not in favor of immediate action on guns, “you’re an accomplice” to the Parkland killer. Seriously? Do you have a loved one who disagrees with you about gun control? Are they accomplices to mass murder? No, they just disagree that gun control is the solution.

The problem exists on both sides of the aisle, and it’s not just politicians. American Enterprise Institute President Arthur Brooks recalls how a few years ago he was giving a speech at a large conservative event. “I said that while my own views are center-right, I have no reason to believe progressives are stupid or evil,” he recalls. “An audience member countered, ‘You’re wrong: They are stupid and evil.’”

Progressives are not stupid and evil. Conservatives are not racists and misogynists. Our fellow Americans who disagree with us are not our enemies. They are our fellow Americans who differ with us. And we should not put up with politicians, on the left or right, who can’t seem to understand this.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:23 AM   #31
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Unless they are progressive communists.
Then they are by birth.. My enemy.
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Edit// and the rest of you communist bastards as well
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:26 AM   #32
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Pretty sure a lot of conservatives are racist as ****, tbh.
my house is full of colored teenagers from Friday after school tell Sunday evening.. they eat my food, help burn up my gas, use my shower, scream when they laugh and are pretty much pain in my ass.. they use the N word as if they were slave owners themselves. TBH you're nothing but a race baiter... comrade
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:28 AM   #33
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my house is full of colored teenagers from Friday after school tell Sunday evening.. they eat my food, help burn up my gas, use my shower, scream when they laugh and are pretty much pain in my ass.. they use the N word as if they were slave owners themselves. TBH you're nothing but a race baiter... comrade
Oh, the racist has 'black friends,' how convenient!!

Don't you know not being a racist means capitulating to political philosophy? It has nothing to do with skin color or friendships.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:29 AM   #34
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Oh, the racist has 'black friends,' how convenient!!

Don't you know not being a racist means capitulating to political philosophy? It has nothing to do with skin color or friendships.
...colored?!? jfc, is this 1970?
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:29 AM   #35
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Who says "colored" in 2018?
Looks like you do.

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Who says "colored" in 2018?
are you offended? I hope so
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Nah, just puzzled.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:44 AM   #39
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Haven't you seen how girls are dying their hair in the different colors of the rainbow these days? Maybe he meant that.
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my house is full of colored teenagers from Friday after school tell Sunday evening.. they eat my food, help burn up my gas, use my shower, scream when they laugh and are pretty much pain in my ass.. they use the N word as if they were slave owners themselves. TBH you're nothing but a race baiter... comrade
Who colored them?
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:47 AM   #41
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my house is full of colored teenagers from Friday after school tell Sunday evening.. they eat my food, help burn up my gas, use my shower, scream when they laugh and are pretty much pain in my ass.. they use the N word as if they were slave owners themselves. TBH you're nothing but a race baiter... comrade
My daughter's college house, was hispanics, blacks and a few whites and she came home using the N word often too. She said her black roomates use it all the time as well as the rest of the girls with them. I told her to stop using it and why.

I had them all over here for a weekend before they were to set off for a special rate cruise out of Tampa. I enjoyed it though.
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I don't remember if I've ever mentioned this before on this forum: I have an identical twin brother. He lives in another state. He is a very conservative Republican, and he is a Trump supporter.

We obviously have some very different political views. We simply agree not to talk politics very often. When we do, we stay polite and respectful. I don't call him a Trumptard, and he doesn't call me a Libtard.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not polite and respectful to the Trump supporters on this site. I will try to do better in that regard. I can't promise perfection, but I can promise that I will try. The article in the OP has inspired me.
I assume that's you on the right.

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