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duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Discuss Thrower · 12-09-2013, 03:58 PM

Hochevar or Davis in the rotation? GTFO.

Demonpenz · 12-09-2013, 04:10 PM

Hochavers only value is as a starter.

duncan_idaho · 12-09-2013, 04:11 PM

I'd be fine with re-signing Santana, assuming the deal isn't more than 3 years and the money isn't crazy, but this organization cannot maintain a straight face about "going for it" in 2014 if it enters the season with Luke Hochevar and Wade Davis slotted into the back end of the rotation.

THEY
CAN'T
DO
IT

Those guys are failures as starting pitchers. I could understand - maybe - giving Davis a look in the No. 5 slot, considering he has produced two years in his career where he was at least a league average pitcher and pretty durable. But Hochevar?

That mental midget has proven time and again he cannot be a starting pitcher in the major leagues.

What he has proven he can be - an effective, one-inning reliever (even a dominating one) is something that should have some value as a trade chip. You wouldn't get much for Luke by himself, but he'd be a valuable package piece.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 12-09-2013, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Hochevar or Davis in the rotation? GTFO.

I read that as Hochevar "and" Davis, not "or".

**DeezNutz** · 12-09-2013, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

Probably just manager talk.. take this FWIW.

#Royals manager Ned Yost says Luke Hochevar and Wade Davis to get long looks next spring to get the final two slots in rotation....
— Bob Dutton (@TNT_Mariners) December 9, 2013

.

FFS. This organization just ****ing begs fans to kill themselves every ****ing off-season.

penbrook · 12-09-2013, 04:20 PM

Ned Yost considering giving two guys, one with 4.57 career ERA as a starter (Davis), one with 5.44 ERA as a starter (Hochevar) 40% of starts

penbrook · 12-09-2013, 04:24 PM

Per MLB twitter page

“If we leave the #WinterMeetings not doing another thing, I'm OK with that.” – @Royals manager Ned Yost.

BigCatDaddy · 12-09-2013, 04:27 PM

I don't believe a word of what Yost is saying. He's just playing stuff close to the vest.

penbrook · 12-09-2013, 04:29 PM

I don't fault Dayton Moore or Yost. They have been in on Beltran Infante and more. I blame it on Glass who refuses to spend.

Also we got an extra 25 mil to spend from the new tv deal.

BlackHelicopters · 12-09-2013, 04:43 PM

Perhaps we just showcase them in exhibition season as a trade chip tight before the season starts.

penbrook · 12-09-2013, 04:47 PM

"I'm anxious to see Hochevar give it a shot as a starter" -- Ned Yost”

penbrook · 12-09-2013, 05:12 PM

#Royals manager Ned Yost said today, "We know now that we can compete. We don't think it, we know it. We've proved it."

BlackHelicopters · 12-09-2013, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook

#Royals manager Ned Yost said today, "We know now that we can compete. We don't think it, we know it. We've proved it."

Ned hanging at Starbucks too much.

penbrook · 12-09-2013, 05:33 PM

Per Bob Dutton

Royals GM Dayton Moore on interest in Omar Infante: I’d just say we’re very pleased with the way Emilio (Bonifacio) played for us last year.

siberian khatru · 12-09-2013, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

Probably just manager talk.. take this FWIW.

#Royals manager Ned Yost says Luke Hochevar and Wade Davis to get long looks next spring to get the final two slots in rotation....
— Bob Dutton (@TNT_Mariners) December 9, 2013

I'm just going to keep telling myself that's that's posturing for offseason moves.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1790308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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12-09-2013, 04:11 PM	#3423
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1790308	I'd be fine with re-signing Santana, assuming the deal isn't more than 3 years and the money isn't crazy, but this organization cannot maintain a straight face about "going for it" in 2014 if it enters the season with Luke Hochevar and Wade Davis slotted into the back end of the rotation. THEY CAN'T DO IT Those guys are failures as starting pitchers. I could understand - maybe - giving Davis a look in the No. 5 slot, considering he has produced two years in his career where he was at least a league average pitcher and pretty durable. But Hochevar? That mental midget has proven time and again he cannot be a starting pitcher in the major leagues. What he has proven he can be - an effective, one-inning reliever (even a dominating one) is something that should have some value as a trade chip. You wouldn't get much for Luke by himself, but he'd be a valuable package piece. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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12-09-2013, 04:29 PM	#3429
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12-09-2013, 05:33 PM	#3434
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