Cardinals ***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 303

**BigRedChief** · 08:16 PM

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.

Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.

The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.

Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:

* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.

The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.

The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.

The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.

The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.

The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
— Bernie

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-11-2013, 10:01 PM

Moving Matt Carpenter from a position where he is elite to merely very good is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Lynn, Adams, and Wong should all be very, very touchable. Moreover, Beltran should be given nothing above the qualifying offer.

The team should run with this:

Carpenter
Oscar
Holiday
Craig
Molina
New SS
Freese
Jay (while giving someone like Tommy Pham a realistic shot at that job so long as his vajeen holds up)

Rotation:

Wainwright
Miller
Wacha
Martinez
Rosenthal

Although I'm sure they'll trot Garcia's lame ass out there again.

Jewish Rabbi · 09-11-2013, 10:09 PM

I just don't see them moving Rosenthal out of the 'pen.

**BigRedChief** · 09-12-2013, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Rotation:

Wainwright
Miller
Wacha
Martinez
Rosenthal

Although I'm sure they'll trot Garcia's lame ass out there again.

You know they are giving him a spot.

Rosenthal will not be allowed out of the bullpen. Not saying that's the right thing, just reading the Cardinal leaves.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-12-2013, 09:20 PM

Looks like Kelly finally got burned after pitching with a horseshoe up his ass for the last six weeks. I only hope the FO is proactive enough to force Matheny to get him out of the rotation ASAP before it costs us the division.

O.city · 09-12-2013, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Moving Matt Carpenter from a position where he is elite to merely very good is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Lynn, Adams, and Wong should all be very, very touchable. Moreover, Beltran should be given nothing above the qualifying offer.

The team should run with this:

Carpenter
Oscar
Holiday
Craig
Molina
New SS
Freese
Jay (while giving someone like Tommy Pham a realistic shot at that job so long as his vajeen holds up)

Rotation:

Wainwright
Miller
Wacha
Martinez
Rosenthal

Although I'm sure they'll trot Garcia's lame ass out there again.

With Adams showing more pop as of late, I'm becomi more inclined to put otav in center, Craig in right and Adams at first

**BigRedChief** · 09-13-2013, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Looks like Kelly finally got burned after pitching with a horseshoe up his ass for the last six weeks. I only hope the FO is proactive enough to force Matheny to get him out of the rotation ASAP before it costs us the division.

Still much better than Westbrook. For what ever reason they are not going to give Martinez a start.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-13-2013, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

With Adams showing more pop as of late, I'm becomi more inclined to put otav in center, Craig in right and Adams at first

He's slugging like .330 post break.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-13-2013, 08:56 PM

....Thanks Seattle.

Mujica was absolute shit that inning. Saunders gifted him two strikes with the abortive bunt attempts, and they run into two outs with marginal base stealers against Yadi when Mujica had thrown two quality pitches that inning.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-13-2013, 09:21 PM

Given the relative hype around his callup, has anyone impressed less than Kolten Wong? He just looks ****ing terrible.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-13-2013, 09:32 PM

WALK OFF PASSED BALL

rolltide2014 · 09-13-2013, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

WALK OFF PASSED BALL

That was ****ing fantastic!

**BigRedChief** · 09-13-2013, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

WALK OFF PASSED BALL

Just win baby!

**BigRedChief** · 09-13-2013, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Given the relative hype around his callup, has anyone impressed less than Kolten Wong? He just looks ****ing terrible.

Hitters that hit at every level have a high % of being successful at the major league level. He's pressing. It's all about next year anyway.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-13-2013, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Hitters that hit at every level have a high % of being successful at the major league level. He's pressing. It's all about next year anyway.

I get that, but he wasn't that great at any level. He was good. I'm not saying he's going to bust outright, but he's pitiful right now and should not sniff the playoff roster.

**BigRedChief** · 09-13-2013, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's slugging like .330 post break.

Yeah, don't save me a place on the Adams bandwagon. We need an AL team that has a SS and needs a 1B and top flight young pitching prospect.

01-25-2013, 05:27 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3259627 VARSITY	*OFFICIAL* 2013 STL Cardinals Thread From Bernie's column: People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.” It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year. Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944. A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS. The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face. Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88. Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective: * Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90. * Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92). * The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa. The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160. The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati. The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium. The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA. The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball. The Cardinals really earned this. Thanks for reading ... — Bernie Last edited by BigRedChief; 10-02-2013 at 08:16 PM..
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09-11-2013, 10:01 PM	#4531
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8039572	Moving Matt Carpenter from a position where he is elite to merely very good is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Lynn, Adams, and Wong should all be very, very touchable. Moreover, Beltran should be given nothing above the qualifying offer. The team should run with this: Carpenter Oscar Holiday Craig Molina New SS Freese Jay (while giving someone like Tommy Pham a realistic shot at that job so long as his vajeen holds up) Rotation: Wainwright Miller Wacha Martinez Rosenthal Although I'm sure they'll trot Garcia's lame ass out there again. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-11-2013, 10:09 PM	#4532
Jewish Rabbi What's up braj? Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Placencia, Belize Casino cash: $2238320	I just don't see them moving Rosenthal out of the 'pen.
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09-12-2013, 09:20 PM	#4534
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8039572	Looks like Kelly finally got burned after pitching with a horseshoe up his ass for the last six weeks. I only hope the FO is proactive enough to force Matheny to get him out of the rotation ASAP before it costs us the division. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-13-2013, 08:56 PM	#4538
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8039572	....Thanks Seattle. Mujica was absolute shit that inning. Saunders gifted him two strikes with the abortive bunt attempts, and they run into two outs with marginal base stealers against Yadi when Mujica had thrown two quality pitches that inning. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-13-2013, 09:21 PM	#4539
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8039572	Given the relative hype around his callup, has anyone impressed less than Kolten Wong? He just looks ****ing terrible. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 74,813

09-13-2013, 09:32 PM	#4540
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8039572	WALK OFF PASSED BALL __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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