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Old 12-22-2008, 12:38 PM  
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Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense"

On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss.

Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games".

Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead.

Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off.


Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:18 PM   #151
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He looks big and slow, but so does Manning. I wouldn't write him off yet, but it does appear he's on the downside.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:19 PM   #152
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Donovan McNabb was playing under center in Andy Reid's west coast offense..Tyler Thigpen is playing in the gimmick, it's not just about stats here.
the west coast was a gimmick before it became a staple, at least that's what the old timers tell me
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:20 PM   #153
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A gimmick that can put up 31 points against one of the better D's in the league is a decent gimmick.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:21 PM   #154
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I was just looking at Peyton's stats...he has 1 fumble in the last 3 years...god damnit he's good.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:23 PM   #155
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A gimmick that can put up 31 points against one of the better D's in the league is a decent gimmick.
funny thing is...

Thigpen and the offense could have played two complete halves and these people would still write him off...

I don't know what to think...the 2nd half has become a definite worry sign...I won't lie...but at this point, he pretty much has to be the starter in 2009...and I'm open to drafting a QB #3 overall or waiting until the 2nd or 3rd round...or bringing in an Alex Smith if we keep Gailey and the spread as a viable backup to see if we can win games using a 'gimmick' offense.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:23 PM   #156
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You mean on a 4th down on the last play of the game? Those are real high percentage situations.

The Cowboys play the Giants 10 times in the playoffs last year they win 9.5 of them...the defense allowing a TD at the end of the half when they had a 14-3 lead with 0:45 when they scored their 2nd TD was a huge momentum changer...and the fact they could have gone up 28-17 with 5 minutes left had Crayton not dropped a pass that hit him right in the hands is the reason they lost that game. It had nothing to do with Romo...who played a damn gritty game with that relentless pass rush...he played a far superior game to that of Tom Brady against that same defense in the Super Bowl...is Tom Brady a choker?

The Cowboys still control their fate this week...we'll see how he does.

As for last year...he was not a choker in the playoffs. Don't let the media feed you that bullshit...sometimes it's cool to watch games and form your own opinions...lay off of the Skip Bayless bullshit.

Skip will make you believe T.O. is an average WR at best when he's been the best damn receiver in the NFL for a LONG time.
When Romo wins a SB then he will not be a choker. The same label was applied to Peyton until he won one.

I think the Cowboys play the Eagles this week in Philly so let's see how he does but I have a feeling I already know the outcome.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:23 PM   #157
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On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss.

Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games".

Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead.

Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off.


Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.
neither think Thigpen is the QBOTF

Petro has said repeatedly that you have to draft Bradford or Stafford (petro prefers bradford), he said so again today.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:24 PM   #158
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funny thing is...

Thigpen and the offense could have played two complete halves and these people would still write him off...

I don't know what to think...the 2nd half has become a definite worry sign...I won't lie...but at this point, he pretty much has to be the starter in 2009...and I'm open to drafting a QB #3 overall or waiting until the 2nd or 3rd round...or bringing in an Alex Smith if we keep Gailey and the spread as a viable backup to see if we can win games using a 'gimmick' offense.
If you think a new coach isn't going to run most of the offense from under center I have some bad news...
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:24 PM   #159
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When Romo wins a SB then he will not be a choker. The same label was applied to Peyton until he won one.

I think the Cowboys play the Eagles this week in Philly so let's see how he does but I have a feeling I already know the outcome.
Romo can't win a playoff game.

Dallas may not even make the playoffs this year.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:26 PM   #160
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If you think a new coach isn't going to run most of the offense from under center I have some bad news...
who says the new coach won't retain Gailey?

I am up for anything...I'm not sold on Gailey, I'm not sold on Herm, I'm wait and see...if a new coach comes in with new assistants I'll be excited to see what happens...as of now this is what we have so this is what I am talking about.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:28 PM   #161
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When Romo wins a SB then he will not be a choker. The same label was applied to Peyton until he won one.

I think the Cowboys play the Eagles this week in Philly so let's see how he does but I have a feeling I already know the outcome.
Tom Brady won those Super Bowls because he was clutch?! Holy christ how hard is it to drive 20 yards into field goal range and watch Vinatieri do his thing?

It's sickening that a QB can be labeled a choker when the rest of his team lets him down...

If anyone watched that Giants/Cowboys game last year and came to the conclusion they lost because of Tony Romo they are downright dumb.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:28 PM   #162
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neither think Thigpen is the QBOTF

Petro has said repeatedly that you have to draft Bradford or Stafford (petro prefers bradford), he said so again today.
Christ, I hate it when people start up with the draft Bradford crap. He has a line that is NFL worthy. ALL of them. No QB in college had the luxury he did by playing behind that line. How many times did he get sacked this year? 10 or less?

I can absolutely see him pulling an Alex Smith if he goes top 5.
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Christ, I hate it when people start up with the draft Bradford crap. He has a line that is NFL worthy. ALL of them. No QB in college had the luxury he did by playing behind that line. How many times did he get sacked this year? 10 or less?

I can absolutely see him pulling an Alex Smith if he goes top 5.
He plays in the Big 12 they've all likely seen him more.
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:30 PM   #164
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apparently Mark Sanchez has bust written all over him...I liked the guy but I guess he has a long delivery and is rather unimpressive...I don't ever watch him so I don't know...just repeating what I heard...but makes sense, USC likes to produce those QB busts.
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who would have thought out of Palmer, Leinart and Cassell Cassell would have turned out the best?
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