Football It's about time we do something about Notre Dame - Page 7

MatriculatingHank · 01-08-2013, 09:25 PM

Agree? Disagree? This is worthy of debate:

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Notre-Dame...nce-Blog-60220

Last night, Notre Dame got absolutely obliterated by Alabama in the BCS title game. Just like I said they would. More than once.

This should have come as a surprise to exactly no one.

No matter how anyone tries to hype up Notre Dame's regular season schedule, there's not a chance in hell that they actually proved that they deserved their #1 ranking.

They stumbled into the #1 spot by default, because great SEC football teams beat other great SEC football teams.

Alabama's only loss was to fellow SEC powerhouse Texas A&M.
Georgia's only losses were to Alabama and South Carolina, both from the SEC.
Texas A&M lost a couple nail-biters to fellow SEC schools Florida and LSU.
South Carolina's only losses were also to Florida and LSU.
Before losing their bowl games, Florida and LSU had only lost to SEC teams.

All 6 of those teams could be considered among the top 10 teams in the country. And they all had to play several games against each other, because they're in an elite conference loaded with talent.

Other teams in top conferences have stretches of 6 to 8 games in a row in which they have to play top level teams.

Then, if they're fortunate enough to have a successful season, they have to play a conference championship game, which essentially amounts to one additional game against an elite team.

Notre Dame, thanks to their independent status, doesn't have to worry about that.

They can schedule their annual cakewalks against service academies and their "rivalry" with fellow Catholic school Boston College. They can use their other "rivalry" game against USC to pad their strength of schedule, and hope that no one notices that USC finished the season unranked and was one of the most overrated teams in the country.

They can play close games against mediocre teams like Purdue, Pitt, BYU, and Michigan, and still manage to default their way into the the National Championship game.

Let's ignore the fact that Georgia and Alabama were both far better teams, but had to play each other in the SEC Championship, essentially eliminating one of them.

If there was an 8-team playoff, Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by the #8 team, who would have been South Carolina, the 4th-best SEC team.

If you look at Notre Dame's recent bowl history, it's clear that they've benefited from their delusional (but large) fan base, and the fact that they haven't needed to actually win a conference to get into a BCS bowl.

Notre Dame has lost 11 of their last 13 bowl games.

They're 0-4 in BCS bowls (including last night's championship), and lost those 4 games by a combined score of 158-57.

That's right. Notre Dame has lost their 4 BCS bowl games by an average of 25 points per game.

Is there any doubt that they're being overrated and overhyped coming into bowl games?

The solution:

The NCAA should ban Notre Dame (and every other independent team, for fairness' sake) from bowl games until they join a conference.

It's absolutely insane that Notre Dame gets to play by a completely different set of rules than every other team, but still gets treated as if their undefeated record is just as impressive as another undefeated team.

Until the Irish have to go through a legitimate conference schedule and win a conference championship game, they'll continue to be placed in bowl games that they don't deserve. They'll continue to get blown out by teams that earned their bowl bid the hard way, and they'll steal BCS spots from far more deserving teams who had far more difficult roads to the postseason.

Until the NCAA forces Notre Dame's hand, fans will continue to suffer through these atrocities. It's simply not right, and fans deserve better.

**dirk digler** · 01-09-2013, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Too many teams. It's unnecessary.

It would be fun and better for the university and fans than some stupid bowl game no one watches or attends.

listopencil · 01-09-2013, 10:58 AM

The BCS formula is still just a collection of polls, isn't it?

**Rausch** · 01-09-2013, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil

The BCS formula is still just a collection of polls, isn't it?

Yes, but it's augmented by a computer formula that...well...I'm not sure who runs that or how...

listopencil · 01-09-2013, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Yes, but it's augmented by a computer formula that...well...I'm not sure who runs that or how...

I just googled it, and it looks like the computers assisted third of the formula is still just a poll. There is really nothing worth complaining about. Every point that can be brought up is easily dismissed by pointing out that the people who vote on this crap can take that point into consideration when voting.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil

The BCS formula is still just a collection of polls, isn't it?

For now it's 2 polls (coaches & harris) and then the computer ranking (which is comprised of 6 separate rankings), each counting for 1/3 of the BCS.

When they move to the 4-team format in 2014 there will no longer be a BCS rankings. They haven't announced/decided how it will be done but it sounds like they will have a selection committee comprising of AD's, university presidents, and some at-large members.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It would be fun and better for the university and fans than some stupid bowl game no one watches or attends.

I don't care about fun. If you want fun & exciting then go watch the college basketball tournament which crowns a tournament champion that sometimes turns out to be the best team.

What matters to me (and most people clamoring for a playoff) is that the best teams play for a championship and settle it on the field. A 24-team field is just asinine.

listopencil · 01-09-2013, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

For now it's 2 polls (coaches & harris) and then the computer ranking (which is comprised of 6 separate rankings), each counting for 1/3 of the BCS.

When they move to the 4-team format in 2014 there will no longer be a BCS rankings. They haven't announced/decided how it will be done but it sounds like they will have a selection committee comprising of AD's, university presidents, and some at-large members.

How are those rankings tabulated? And a selection committee is still a group of people ranking the teams.

htismaqe · 01-09-2013, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

At that time Alabama's only loss was to A&M - Florida beat them.

At that time Florida's only loss was to UGA - Alabama beat them.

All the more reason to include BOTH A&M AND Georgia.

htismaqe · 01-09-2013, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

But it is ok for Divsion II-III football players to play that many games.

Especially when Division 3 athletes are depending on ACADEMICS to get them through school, not a football scholarship.

It's a horrible double standard.

htismaqe · 01-09-2013, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

The logistics invovled with an 8 team playoff would be too much. That means 3 weekends. 3 Potential games for 2 teams....too much travel...fans wont travel for 3 games.....plus all the students, players, bands etc.........too much travel and scheduling.

FCS does that.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

All the more reason to include BOTH A&M AND Georgia.

And LSU (?) who lost to Bama & Florida but beat A&M and USCe.

Could you imagine how much people would flip if half or more than half of an 8-team playoff is made up of SEC teams? It's be hilarious.

**ChiefGator** · 01-09-2013, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Especially when Division 3 athletes are depending on ACADEMICS to get them through school, not a football scholarship.

It's a horrible double standard.

I agree. I also think playing 16 games is too many for any student athlete. Not sure how they got to that format in Div 1 FCS or any other division. In Div 1 FCS, they still play up to eleven games BEFORE the 24-team playoff.

**Bearcat** · 01-09-2013, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

The logistics invovled with an 8 team playoff would be too much. That means 3 weekends. 3 Potential games for 2 teams....too much travel...fans wont travel for 3 games.....plus all the students, players, bands etc.........too much travel and scheduling.

Sounds crazy.... like March Madness or something.

Deberg_1990 · 01-09-2013, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Sounds crazy.... like March Madness or something.

Football is a completely different beast than BB with alot more people involved.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

FCS does that.

The logistics are much more involved for NCAA. For starters, the average attendance during the 19 FCS playoff games this year was less than 13,500 compared to top FBS teams that get 90,000+ attendance. Ticket sales, staffing, organization is significantly more complex. There would also be schedule conflicts with teams that share a stadium with a professional team(s).

01-08-2013, 09:25 PM
MatriculatingHank Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $2284858	It's about time we do something about Notre Dame Agree? Disagree? This is worthy of debate: http://www.faniq.com/blog/Notre-Dame...nce-Blog-60220 Last night, Notre Dame got absolutely obliterated by Alabama in the BCS title game. Just like I said they would. More than once. This should have come as a surprise to exactly no one. No matter how anyone tries to hype up Notre Dame's regular season schedule, there's not a chance in hell that they actually proved that they deserved their #1 ranking. They stumbled into the #1 spot by default, because great SEC football teams beat other great SEC football teams. Alabama's only loss was to fellow SEC powerhouse Texas A&M. Georgia's only losses were to Alabama and South Carolina, both from the SEC. Texas A&M lost a couple nail-biters to fellow SEC schools Florida and LSU. South Carolina's only losses were also to Florida and LSU. Before losing their bowl games, Florida and LSU had only lost to SEC teams. All 6 of those teams could be considered among the top 10 teams in the country. And they all had to play several games against each other, because they're in an elite conference loaded with talent. Other teams in top conferences have stretches of 6 to 8 games in a row in which they have to play top level teams. Then, if they're fortunate enough to have a successful season, they have to play a conference championship game, which essentially amounts to one additional game against an elite team. Notre Dame, thanks to their independent status, doesn't have to worry about that. They can schedule their annual cakewalks against service academies and their "rivalry" with fellow Catholic school Boston College. They can use their other "rivalry" game against USC to pad their strength of schedule, and hope that no one notices that USC finished the season unranked and was one of the most overrated teams in the country. They can play close games against mediocre teams like Purdue, Pitt, BYU, and Michigan, and still manage to default their way into the the National Championship game. Let's ignore the fact that Georgia and Alabama were both far better teams, but had to play each other in the SEC Championship, essentially eliminating one of them. If there was an 8-team playoff, Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by the #8 team, who would have been South Carolina, the 4th-best SEC team. If you look at Notre Dame's recent bowl history, it's clear that they've benefited from their delusional (but large) fan base, and the fact that they haven't needed to actually win a conference to get into a BCS bowl. Notre Dame has lost 11 of their last 13 bowl games. They're 0-4 in BCS bowls (including last night's championship), and lost those 4 games by a combined score of 158-57. That's right. Notre Dame has lost their 4 BCS bowl games by an average of 25 points per game. Is there any doubt that they're being overrated and overhyped coming into bowl games? The solution: The NCAA should ban Notre Dame (and every other independent team, for fairness' sake) from bowl games until they join a conference. It's absolutely insane that Notre Dame gets to play by a completely different set of rules than every other team, but still gets treated as if their undefeated record is just as impressive as another undefeated team. Until the Irish have to go through a legitimate conference schedule and win a conference championship game, they'll continue to be placed in bowl games that they don't deserve. They'll continue to get blown out by teams that earned their bowl bid the hard way, and they'll steal BCS spots from far more deserving teams who had far more difficult roads to the postseason. Until the NCAA forces Notre Dame's hand, fans will continue to suffer through these atrocities. It's simply not right, and fans deserve better.
Posts: 1,191

01-09-2013, 10:58 AM	#92
listopencil Immanentize The Eschaton Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In Partibus Infidelium Casino cash: $2315880	The BCS formula is still just a collection of polls, isn't it? __________________ Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has...it has stolen.
Posts: 55,887