Mel Kiper: Of the 2011 QB draft class, Ricky Stanzi will have the best NFL career...

[Kylo Ren]

... with the Chiefs.

I'm watching a draft wrap up show with Kiper, McShay, Herm and Bruschi. That was the question. Of this 2011 QB draft class, which QB will have the best career? Mel said Ricky Stanzi will be the QB for the Chiefs in 2 - 3 years and will have the best NFL career. The other three hosts fell out of their chairs.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You mean Doug Martin, the guy that got picked in the first round?

That Doug Martin?

You're honestly comparing a 1st round rookie runningback drafted by a new regime expressly to replace the incumbent from the old regime that couldn't be bothered to block to a 5th round QB drafted by a previous regime who was purposely blocked by $12 million and a 2nd round pick in quarterbacks?

Are you ever not a ****ing reerun? Like ever?

Please, tell me more about legendary slot receivers.

lol. He told me just today he was 110 percent right about everything he said about Welker and his deal
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[Rasputin]

I blame Mel Kiper for the hole in the ozone layer they talk about..

[BlackHelicopters]

Wait. What? Hole in the ozone layer?

[OnTheWarpath15]

I've been waiting in Canton for years for Mike Williams' HOF induction.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

lol. He told me just today he was 110 percent right about everything he said about Welker and his deal
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He remains an idiot.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You mean Doug Martin, the guy that got picked in the first round?

That Doug Martin?

You're honestly comparing a 1st round rookie runningback drafted by a new regime expressly to replace the incumbent from the old regime that couldn't be bothered to block to a 5th round QB drafted by a previous regime who was purposely blocked by $12 million and a 2nd round pick in quarterbacks?

Are you ever not a ****ing reerun? Like ever?

Please, tell me more about legendary slot receivers.

Doug Martin was not drafted to take over for LeGarette Blount, he was drafted to accompany him, and to add depth.

The second he got drafted, he was slotted for RB3, he worked up to RB2 and was told that he was "slowly acclimating himself" to NFL speed during camp, he hit a plateau, and then pre-season happened. After pre-season, he was penciled in as the starter.

If that doesn't suffice for you, how about a story of the greatest martin?

Curtis Martin, drafted in the third round of the 1995 draft, designated as a 3rd down/spell back. Initially, broke out in training camp, earned the starting role in the first quarter of his fantastic rookie season, later became one of the greatest running backs to ever play the game.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

lol. He told me just today he was 110 percent right about everything he said about Welker and his deal
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I told you I was 110% right about fortelling what would happen if Welker signed with the Broncos, I'm not sure what "deal" you're referring to and what I "said" that was so wrong.

After Welker signed, everything that I had said, came true. Which is why I told you today I was 110% right, in reference to what would happen if he signed away from the pats.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He remains an idiot.

I've never been, nor aspire to be on Sauto's level of idiocy.

I bet you, like him, believe we'll draft Geno Smith now that Reid says he hasn't ruled it out. I bet you, like him, believe the Coach's word, and don't believe there is any deception there, at all.

[DJ's left nut]

Next time just say "Alfred Morris" and you won't be forced to defend asinine assertions like "Doug Martin clawed his way up the depth chart".

Virtually everyone expected Martin to be the full-time starter by week 5.

Keep diggin' those heels in champ. The only thing funnier than your original positions are your attempts to defend them.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Next time just say "Alfred Morris" and you won't be forced to defend asinine assertions like "Doug Martin clawed his way up the depth chart".

Virtually everyone expected Martin to be the full-time starter by week 5.

Keep diggin' those heels in champ. The only thing funnier than your original positions are your attempts to defend them.

Really? Show me an article from last year where ANYONE in the press or in the NFL expected Doug Martin to replace the Incumbent LeGarette Blount, as the starter after the year LeGarette had.

Everything you'll read will talk about the ONE-TWO punch of Blount and Martin.

Also, why would I need to reference Alfred Morris? I gave you a better reference with Curtis Martin.

The point is the same, last year Doug Martin went from #3 to #1 by the end of camp, and started day 1. Not week 5 like your make believe world would have you believe.

Alfred Morris is, however, a great example.

Which is the reason I drafted both Doug Martin AND Alfred Morris in the last two rounds of my Money League, and kept up to date on them frequently before that draft in a league full of speculators just like myself. I drafted Martin ahead of Morris simply due to the fact that the whole Royster-Morris depth had me worried about the number of carries on top of RG3.

I'd say my speculation panned out pretty well, as it usually does.

[58-4ever]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Really? Show me an article from last year where ANYONE in the press or in the NFL expected Doug Martin to replace the Incumbent LeGarette Blount, as the starter after the year LeGarette had.

Everything you'll read will talk about the ONE-TWO punch of Blount and Martin.

Also, why would I need to reference Alfred Morris? I gave you a better reference with Curtis Martin.

The point is the same, last year Doug Martin went from #3 to #1 by the end of camp, and started day 1. Not week 5 like your make believe world would have you believe.

Alfred Morris is, however, a great example.

Which is the reason I drafted both Doug Martin AND Alfred Morris in the last two rounds of my Money League, and kept up to date on them frequently before that draft in a league full of speculators just like myself. I drafted Martin ahead of Morris simply due to the fact that the whole Royster-Morris depth had me worried about the number of carries on top of RG3.

I'd say my speculation panned out pretty well, as it usually does.

Everyone knew Blount was slow and consistently out of shape. Anyone with a brain knew Martin would take over.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Ricky needs to turn into a pussy hound, if he already ain't. Get while the getting's good.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Really? Show me an article from last year where ANYONE in the press or in the NFL expected Doug Martin to replace the Incumbent LeGarette Blount, as the starter after the year LeGarette had.

You must not pay attention to fantasy at all. Martin was a pretty common mid to late round pick, Blount was rarely drafted at all. Everyone expected Martin to be the main back for the majority of the season.

If he was listed as RB3 in training camp, it was likely just typical rookie treatment to keep him motivated.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

I told you I was 110% right about fortelling what would happen if Welker signed with the Broncos, I'm not sure what "deal" you're referring to and what I "said" that was so wrong.

After Welker signed, everything that I had said, came true. Which is why I told you today I was 110% right, in reference to what would happen if he signed away from the pats.



I've never been, nor aspire to be on Sauto's level of idiocy.

l.

the last past is funny.

I could easily figure out what anyone meant if they had said "you were 110 percent wrong about Welker's deal"


You were wrong about the team, money, and years.

Flat out wrong.

Then you said since he was resigning with the pats for at least 7.5 per on at least a three year deal. Amendola would go back to the rams, and the pats would sign Edelman.

Which part was right?
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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by sedated

You must not pay attention to fantasy at all. Martin was a pretty common mid to late round pick, Blount was rarely drafted at all. Everyone expected Martin to be the main back for the majority of the season.

If he was listed as RB3 in training camp, it was likely just typical rookie treatment to keep him motivated.

Exactly.

That's certainly the easiest way to find it - just check out the FFB draft guides. Look up 'Doug Martin sleeper'.

It was common knowledge that Martin was going to be the starter in TB - the end.

Just because Wes Welkers mom didn't know it doesn't mean it wasn't commonly accepted.

[DTLB58]

So what was worse? A claim by Kiper that Stanzi would be the the best QB of an entire draft class and he never saw the field in a regular season game, or the claim that JaMarcus Russell was gonna be the next or better than Horseface?

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by 58-4ever

Everyone knew Blount was slow and consistently out of shape. Anyone with a brain knew Martin would take over.

Would you like to cite a reference instead of spouting your hindsight into the situation?

The only information on Doug Martin pre-FFdrafts and pre-pre-season was that he was working hard. Nobody made a mention of him being a fantasy prospect until the pre-season had started.

And there I was keeping tabs on him long before that.

Originally Posted by sedated

You must not pay attention to fantasy at all. Martin was a pretty common mid to late round pick, Blount was rarely drafted at all. Everyone expected Martin to be the main back for the majority of the season.

If he was listed as RB3 in training camp, it was likely just typical rookie treatment to keep him motivated.

I played in 5 leagues last year, winning 4 Championships, my closest friends and I run an 8 man money league with specialized scoring, we watch the games religiously every sunday and have a cookout, weather permitting. We have jerseys of our fantasy team's starting QB's, RB's, and WR's, and wear them accordingly, we pay for NFL Redzone because it is a better option than Sunday ticket, and we have miniature "figures" of our starting QB's, as our league and group are a very QB centric setup. We have fantasy football thanksgivings, fantasy football christmas's, we have a live fantasy football draft, a fantasy football facebook group and chat so we can keep up to date on our phones, on top of having the fantasy app on our phones for our teams. We trade players and draft picks like the NFL, in back channels and often blocking out other teams from making trades with certain people, as I was the recipient this year of the blockade over Peyton Manning. We create our own in depth analysis of each player as they score in our league, we provide our own projects and interations, and keep up to date beyond the fantasy site, about our players health, projections, and game conditions going into the game.


To say that I must not pay attention to fantasy is about as wrong as you ever could be, I AM FANTASY football. I live it, eat it, breathe it, sleep it.

On the topic of Doug Martin, you're ignoring my point, which is, up until the pre-season games, he wasn't on the radar, for anyone. Well, that is to say, not on the radar for anyone unless you KNEW to look for the signs and wait patiently on the news of what "might be". Long before you people even knew about Doug Martin's "draft prospects" I was already hot on his trail for months following his camp progress and watching that camp battle closely, and then taking what I had learned and written down, and compared it to draft stocks, analysis, and so forth. Up until the very last game of the pre-season, when it became clear that Doug Martin would be taking over the #1 spot for TB. IT was then, that the mainstream sports media decided to discuss the hype that was Doug Martin, past the whole "Watch out for this kid" that we hear every year from half the running backs who enter the league.

The point I made, the point you aren't understanding is that I said before the pre-season.

Typical drafts happen after or at the very end of pre-season. We drafted after the 2nd week of pre-season. At that point I was all but certain that Doug Martin was going to be the starter, why? Because I paid attention.

You act like after he got drafted, it was set in stone that he'd be the starter, or that there would even be a remote chance the second he was drafted, that he'd take over Blount's role. That wasn't the case, and in an interview the coaches even stated that.

If you don't believe it, go do your homework like I did.

Doug Martin was never a lock to be a #1 and to be a breakout star, until the end of the pre-season.

So yeah, when most of you drafted, you knew about Doug Martin being a star, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he had to fight through camp from #3 to get to #1, he was just that good.

The interesting part here, is people like you thinking he was drafted to be the #1 guy, being ignorant of everything the team did up until you drafted.

PS, when most pre-draft valuations went out, Martin was at or below Blount, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

the last past is funny.

I could easily figure out what anyone meant if they had said "you were 110 percent wrong about Welker's deal"


You were wrong about the team, money, and years.

Flat out wrong.

Then you said since he was resigning with the pats for at least 7.5 per on at least a three year deal. Amendola would go back to the rams, and the pats would sign Edelman.

Which part was right?
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I didn't say that at all you idiot, please, quote me saying that I said Welker was re-signing with the patriots on a 3 year deal worth 7.5 per.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Exactly.

That's certainly the easiest way to find it - just check out the FFB draft guides. Look up 'Doug Martin sleeper'.

It was common knowledge that Martin was going to be the starter in TB - the end.

Just because Wes Welkers mom didn't know it doesn't mean it wasn't commonly accepted.

Commonly accepted that he was a sleeper pick.

A sleeper pick is a boom or bust pick.

The reason he was a sleeper pick? He had climbed up the depth chart, the roster, from #3 to #2 at the time of those valuations, and was challenging Blount for the starting Job, which after pre-season, they gave to him.

The exact same shit I was telling you about.

So why are we arguing?

Because I made a statement talking about Doug Martin coming in and fighting from #3 to #1, and you don't think that was right, because unlike me, you are more of a casual FF fan compared to me. You start your valuations maybe a week before your draft, and read up as much as you can and place most of your stock in what others have written about the players, and you likely cross-reference two or three different valuation sites to make your selection.

You read about Doug Martin being a sleeper, that was it.

Doesn't make me wrong, but makes your argument with me wrong.

Originally Posted by DTLB58

So what was worse? A claim by Kiper that Stanzi would be the the best QB of an entire draft class and he never saw the field in a regular season game, or the claim that JaMarcus Russell was gonna be the next or better than Horseface?

What is worse?

The fact that Stanzi might be the best out of his draft, and he's never taken a snap.