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View Poll Results: In what manner would you like to see Herm Edwards fired? (Multiple choice)
Push him out of the plane over Illinois. 22 26.83%
Take his airline ticket and make him hitchhike...in a skirt. 15 18.29%
As opposed to merely firing him, set the idiot on fire. 15 18.29%
Tie him to Paul Hackett and force them to beat each other to death. 17 20.73%
Nukes, special forces, anything. How it happens doesn't matter. 19 23.17%
Be professional and just fire him in his office. With a big stick with a nail in it. 14 17.07%
It cannot stop at Herman Edwards. We have to exterminate the whole front office roachbed. 38 46.34%
Actually, I'm thrilled with Herman Edwards' "it's a win if you're within seven points" philosophy. 11 13.41%
Trade him to the Raiders by telling Al Davis that he throws the ball downfield. 18 21.95%
Hold a big team meeting and fire him in front of everybody, and make him walk out dragging the Boulder of Shame. 26 31.71%
I have some other plan for firing him, described in my post. 5 6.10%
I haven't yet decided if his "play to lose close" philosophy is a problem, and I can't feed myself. 12 14.63%
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:33 PM  
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That's it. I'm freaking done with these idiots.

Back in the 1970s, our teams were bad. They lost games. They got soundly beaten by opponents. But you know what? I could live with it. The teams back then at least tried to win.

Now? I love this team. Love it. We've got massive talent on defense. We've got top-notch players on offense. We've got a new quarterback who can win, and we've got a potential superstar at wide receiver and legitimate superstarts at tight end and running back.

And we've got a coach who is biggest freaking idiot this side of Paul Hackett.

The last time I was this mad about a loss was against Indianapolis in 1995, when we lost home field in the playoffs because of the worst game plan, or rather lack of a game plan, in football history. And now we're repeating it on a weekly basis.

It's the fourth quarter. The score is tied. The best quarterback in the game is on the other sideline. And we freaking concede a drive? We don't even TRY to get a first down? We punt the ball to the most productive offense of the decade? Both teams had one opportunity to win the game, and our stupid, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic coaching staff VOLUNTARILY GAVE OUR CHANCE AWAY! THEY SAID, "WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SCORE, SO LET'S PLAY FOR A TIE AND PUNT IT PEYTON FREAKING MANNING." What sort of intellectual plant life would you have to be to do that? They voluntarily reduced our chances of winning to zero, and for no reason.

AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! I'm so mad about this that I can't stand it. They do this every freaking week. We have perhaps ten chances to score in a game, and they VOLUNTARILY give up on half of them! How does someone do this and keep their job? If I owned that team, that freaking coach-in-name-only would not get on the plane to come home. He would pay his own way back, and I would mail his office stuff to him in a box. I'd give the Arrowhead guards pepper spray and a picture of his unibrowed visage of confusion.

I can't do this any more. Just can't. This was the last straw. This was stupidity at it's finest. This was building the freaking Egyptian pyramids of stupidity. This was stupidity that will stand as a shining example of the art for the next four thousand years. Stupid scholars will study this game plan and write dissertations about it. It was miss-the-$100-question-on-Who- Wants-To-Be-A-Millionaire-after- using-all-of-your-lifelines stupid.

This is a good team. This is a strong team. This team could be very, very good if they were allowed to be. And you know what? Just trade them all. Trade them and stock up draft picks for a possible time when the stupid ownership of this team finally sells it to someone who will fire the stupid Haile Selassie president-for-life general manager and hire someone who will in turn fire the stupid "I think we get points for close losses" coaching staff, and then when those things happen maybe we can use those picks to field a competitive team. Until Herman Edwards is gone, and all photographs of his slackjawed RCA-Victor-Dog-Looking-At-Victrola face have been burned, just pile up picks and use semi-pro players, because the end result will be the same.

If I was Tony Gonzalez or Derrick Johnson or Jared Allen, I would go to Clark Hunt's office with a sleeping bag and I would not leave there until there's a regime change. Don't waste your career playing for piece of garbage idiot like Herm Edwards who can't even fathom trying to win a game.

Three drives! At least three drives where we just intentionally folded up. Didn't even try! "Eh, who cares? Just run for a few yards and punt it. Who cares?" Did these people never watch Joe Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati? Do they not understand that the team with the most points wins? Where is the understanding here, people! Where?!?!?!?!

I HATE YOU, HERMAN EDWARDS! HATE! HATE, HATE, HATE! No, no. It's more than hate! Far more than hate. It's outright despisal!

YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME! YOU PLAY...TO WIN...THE GAME!

I don't know if I can communicate this any more clearly. This coach has to be removed from power, using any means possible. I'm 44 years old. I don't want to have to concede five more seasons of giving away wins while I wait. He has to go now! NOW! NOW!!!!
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:01 PM   #31
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We had 12 drives in this game. 12 chance to score. Let's look at them.

Drive 1

1st Quarter expand [+] collapse [-]
Kansas City Chiefs at 15:00
4-A.Vinatieri kicks 60 yards from IND 30 to KC 10. 80-J.Webb to KC 33 for 23 yards (52-R.Guzman, 50-R.Boiman).
1-10-KC 33 (14:55) 31-P.Holmes left end to KC 37 for 4 yards (99-E.Johnson).
2-6-KC 37 (14:19) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to KC 42 for 5 yards (58-G.Brackett).
3-1-KC 42 (13:37) 21-K.Smith left tackle to KC 43 for 1 yard (99-E.Johnson, 58-G.Brackett).
1-10-KC 43 (13:02) 12-B.Croyle pass short right to 82-D.Bowe pushed ob at KC 48 for 5 yards (50-R.Boiman).
2-5-KC 48 (12:31) 31-P.Holmes right end to IND 49 for 3 yards (98-R.Mathis). PENALTY on KC-60-C.Terry, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at KC 48 - No Play.
2-15-KC 38 (12:09) (Shotgun) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to KC 41 for 3 yards (21-B.Sanders).
3-12-KC 41 (11:24) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass short middle to 31-P.Holmes to KC 42 for 1 yard (28-M.Jackson).
4-11-KC 42 (10:47) 2-D.Colquitt punts 29 yards to IND 29, Center-51-J.Darche, fair catch by 34-T.Rushing.

Drive went well until the holding call, and then Herm freaking gave up! Called a run on 2nd and 15, and then a 0% short pass on third down.

Grade: F



Drive 2

Kansas City Chiefs at 07:59
1-10-KC 39 (7:59) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to KC 41 for 2 yards (91-J.Thomas, 79-R.Brock).
2-8-KC 41 (7:15) 31-P.Holmes right end to KC 43 for 2 yards (21-B.Sanders, 98-R.Mathis).
3-6-KC 43 (6:29) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete short middle to 82-D.Bowe.
4-6-KC 43 (6:25) 2-D.Colquitt punts 44 yards to IND 13, Center-51-J.Darche, fair catch by 34-T.Rushing.

3rd down, went for a short pass in front of the first down marker. Anyone remember this? Someone screwed up the route, because all four Chiefs receivers ran short routes into the middle of the field. Probably an execution error, because if the play was designed that way, I'm going to ram my car packed with explosives into Solari's office.

Grade: C



Drive 3
Kansas City Chiefs at 01:34
1-10-KC 28 (1:34) 12-B.Croyle pass short middle to 88-T.Gonzalez to KC 36 for 8 yards (21-B.Sanders).
2-2-KC 36 (:47) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to KC 46 for 10 yards (50-R.Boiman).
1-10-KC 46 (:11) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete short right to 31-P.Holmes.
2-10-KC 46 (:05) (Shotgun) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to IND 48 for 6 yards (28-M.Jackson, 21-B.Sanders).
END QUARTER 1
2nd Quarter expand [+] collapse [-]
Kansas City Chiefs continues ...
3-4-IND 48 (15:00) 12-B.Croyle pass short left to 84-K.Wilson to IND 42 for 6 yards (54-F.Keiaho).
1-10-IND 42 (14:23) 12-B.Croyle pass short left to 82-D.Bowe pushed ob at IND 35 for 7 yards (50-R.Boiman).
2-3-IND 35 (14:02) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to IND 32 for 3 yards (54-F.Keiaho).
1-10-IND 32 (13:17) 12-B.Croyle pass short right to 82-D.Bowe pushed ob at IND 25 for 7 yards (21-B.Sanders, 26-K.Hayden).
2-3-IND 25 (12:41) PENALTY on KC-89-J.Dunn, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at IND 25 - No Play.
2-8-IND 30 (12:17) 31-P.Holmes left tackle pushed ob at IND 26 for 4 yards (41-A.Bethea).
3-4-IND 26 (11:44) 31-P.Holmes left end to IND 25 for 1 yard (58-G.Brackett).
4-3-IND 25 (11:07) 6-D.Rayner 43 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-51-J.Darche, Holder-2-D.Colquitt.

I'm not averse on the occasional run on 2nd and long, but WE ALWAYS DO IT! ALWAYS! It's a give-up play in this system. We did it twice on this drive, and it managed to work once just because we made a third-and-intermdiate.

Grade: D-


Drive 4
Kansas City Chiefs at 10:57
1-10-IND 37 (10:57) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to IND 32 for 5 yards (26-K.Hayden, 50-R.Boiman).
2-5-IND 32 (10:20) 12-B.Croyle pass short right to 87-E.Kennison to IND 28 for 4 yards (26-K.Hayden).
3-1-IND 28 (9:41) 31-P.Holmes left end to IND 29 for -1 yards (26-K.Hayden).
4-2-IND 29 (9:00) 6-D.Rayner 47 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-51-J.Darche, Holder-2-D.Colquitt.
KC 3 IND 0 Plays: 4 Possession: 2:02

No real problem here. It didn't work because of execution.

Grade: A


Drive 5
Kansas City Chiefs at 07:26
1-10-IND 49 (7:26) 12-B.Croyle pass short right to 80-J.Webb to IND 44 for 5 yards (26-K.Hayden, 54-F.Keiaho).
2-5-IND 44 (6:44) 12-B.Croyle pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez to IND 31 for 13 yards (21-B.Sanders, 41-A.Bethea).
1-10-IND 31 (5:57) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete deep right to 18-S.Parker.
2-10-IND 31 (5:49) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to IND 28 for 3 yards (99-E.Johnson).
3-7-IND 28 (5:08) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete short left to 82-D.Bowe.
4-7-IND 28 (5:02) 6-D.Rayner 45 yard field goal is No Good, Hit Left Upright, Center-51-J.Darche, Holder-2-D.Colquitt.


AUUUUUUUGHHHHH! No more runs on second and long! I'm not kidding! Don't ever do this again!

And then let's follow it up with a pass route short of the marker.

Grade: F-


Drive 6
Kansas City Chiefs at 04:04
1-10-KC 22 (4:04) 31-P.Holmes right tackle to KC 24 for 2 yards (54-F.Keiaho, 98-R.Mathis).
2-8-KC 24 (3:29) (Shotgun) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to KC 27 for 3 yards (79-R.Brock).
3-5-KC 27 (2:48) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle sacked at KC 20 for -7 yards (98-R.Mathis). FUMBLES (98-R.Mathis), RECOVERED by IND-96-K.Dawson at KC 23. 96-K.Dawson to KC 13 for 10 yards (60-C.Terry). Four sack yards.


I'm beyond words at this point.

Grade: F-


Drive 7
Kansas City Chiefs at 01:18
4-A.Vinatieri kicks 63 yards from IND 30 to KC 7. 80-J.Webb to KC 23 for 16 yards (95-D.Reid).
1-10-KC 23 (1:15) (Shotgun) 21-K.Smith up the middle to KC 27 for 4 yards (54-F.Keiaho, 98-R.Mathis).
2-6-KC 27 (:42) 21-K.Smith up the middle to KC 32 for 5 yards (96-K.Dawson).
END QUARTER 2


You have timeouts. You have a strong-armed quarterback. Why not take one hail mary downfield just to see what happens? The odds of something good happening are better than those of something bad happening.
Grade: D


Drive 8
Kansas City Chiefs at 14:09
1-10-KC 34 (14:09) 12-B.Croyle pass short left to 82-D.Bowe to KC 34 for no gain (28-M.Jackson, 50-R.Boiman).
2-10-KC 34 (13:33) 12-B.Croyle scrambles up the middle to KC 38 for 4 yards (54-F.Keiaho). PENALTY on KC-76-J.Welbourn, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at KC 34 - No Play.
2-20-KC 24 (13:08) (Shotgun) 31-P.Holmes up the middle to KC 27 for 3 yards (21-B.Sanders).
3-17-KC 27 (12:31) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete short middle to 31-P.Holmes.
4-17-KC 27 (12:22) 2-D.Colquitt punts 44 yards to IND 29, Center-51-J.Darche. 34-T.Rushing to IND 36 for 7 yards (34-T.Brackenridge).


Grade: F-


Drive 9

Kansas City Chiefs at 07:17
4-A.Vinatieri kicks 70 yards from IND 30 to KC 0. 80-J.Webb to KC 23 for 23 yards (60-J.Charleston, 50-R.Boiman).
1-10-KC 23 (7:12) 31-P.Holmes left tackle to KC 25 for 2 yards (50-R.Boiman).
2-8-KC 25 (6:35) 21-K.Smith left tackle to KC 27 for 2 yards (54-F.Keiaho, 91-J.Thomas).
3-6-KC 27 (5:49) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass short left to 21-K.Smith to KC 34 for 7 yards (58-G.Brackett).
1-10-KC 34 (5:08) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete short left to 18-S.Parker.
2-10-KC 34 (5:05) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete short left to 82-D.Bowe. PENALTY on IND-79-R.Brock, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at KC 34 - No Play.
2-5-KC 39 (5:01) 12-B.Croyle pass short right to 84-K.Wilson to KC 43 for 4 yards (54-F.Keiaho, 26-K.Hayden).
3-1-KC 43 (4:13) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass short left to 82-D.Bowe to IND 45 for 12 yards (28-M.Jackson).
1-10-IND 45 (3:34) 21-K.Smith up the middle to IND 40 for 5 yards (54-F.Keiaho, 97-Q.Pitcock).
2-5-IND 40 (2:56) 12-B.Croyle pass deep middle to 88-T.Gonzalez to IND 22 for 18 yards (41-A.Bethea).
1-10-IND 22 (2:15) (Shotgun) 21-K.Smith up the middle to IND 19 for 3 yards (95-D.Reid, 58-G.Brackett).
2-7-IND 19 (1:34) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete deep left to 88-T.Gonzalez.
3-7-IND 19 (1:29) 12-B.Croyle pass deep right to 82-D.Bowe for 19 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Indianapolis challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1 at 01:22.)
6-D.Rayner extra point is GOOD, Center-51-J.Darche, Holder-2-D.Colquitt.
KC 10 IND 10 Plays: 11 Possession: 5:55

Take note. Take note of what happened on second down. Take note of what happened on third down. Now look at the outcome.
Grade: A


Drive 10

Kansas City Chiefs at 14:53
1-10-KC 37 (14:53) 31-P.Holmes left end to KC 35 for -2 yards (28-M.Jackson).
2-12-KC 35 (14:17) 12-B.Croyle pass incomplete short right to 82-D.Bowe.
3-12-KC 35 (14:11) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass short middle to 21-K.Smith to KC 46 for 11 yards (41-A.Bethea).

4-1-KC 46 (13:25) 2-D.Colquitt punts 30 yards to IND 24, Center-51-J.Darche, fair catch by 34-T.Rushing.

I'm not going to complain about this one.
Grade: B


Drive 11


Kansas City Chiefs at 10:59
1-10-KC 24 (10:59) 31-P.Holmes left tackle to KC 24 for no gain (58-G.Brackett).
2-10-KC 24 (10:23) 12-B.Croyle pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez to KC 31 for 7 yards (26-K.Hayden, 54-F.Keiaho).
3-3-KC 31 (9:39) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass short middle to 82-D.Bowe to KC 45 for 14 yards (41-A.Bethea).
1-10-KC 45 (8:58) 21-K.Smith left end to KC 40 for -5 yards (91-J.Thomas).
2-15-KC 40 (8:18) 12-B.Croyle sacked at KC 37 for -3 yards (79-R.Brock).
3-18-KC 37 (7:41) (Shotgun) 21-K.Smith left tackle to KC 39 for 2 yards (26-K.Hayden, 58-G.Brackett).
4-16-KC 39 (7:08) 2-D.Colquitt punts 37 yards to IND 24, Center-51-J.Darche. 34-T.Rushing to IND 33 for 9 yards (97-K.Fox).

Bad drive overall, and then the coaches gave up.
Grade: D


Drive 12



Kansas City Chiefs at 00:03
4-A.Vinatieri kicks 30 yards from IND 30 to KC 40, out of bounds.
1-10-KC 40 (:03) (Shotgun) 12-B.Croyle pass short left to 21-K.Smith to IND 44 for 16 yards. Lateral to 18-S.Parker to IND 37 for 7 yards. FUMBLES, touched at IND 39, ball out of bounds at IND 39.
END GAME

Didn't even throw it long here. Idiots.
Grade: F-




I count six drives where our offensive play calling essentially conceded the drive. Six drives out of 11, if you don't count the last three seconds of the game. Other teams try to score 11 times, and we try to score six times, and we're supposed to win?

Fire Herman Edwards tonight, Clark. Let Gunther finish out the season.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:14 PM   #34
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I couldn't have said it better myself rainmain. It amazes me that the guy who is most famous for his "you play to win the game" quote continually fails to live up to his words. I don't understand the mentality of a coach who thinks the offenses job is to just get field position. I'll be glad when this experiment is over and Cowher takes over.
Yes! That's a perfect diagnosis of it. They seem to think that it's fine to get three extra yards.

And sure, most of the time we won't convert a third and long. But sometimes we will, and that drive could produce a score. And even if we don't, we could possibly get more yards on a passing play. This running on third and long is so...so...Paul Hackett that it makes me want to scream. It's a nightmare that I had hoped was over.
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I'm not averse on the occasional run on 2nd and long, but WE ALWAYS DO IT! ALWAYS! It's a give-up play in this system. We did it twice on this drive, and it managed to work once just because we made a third-and-intermdiate.

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Solari was reading the Planet this week. More than once this week it was recommended that we were suppose to run in passing situations.
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You 're killing me.

You're telling me we can't run on 1st and 10, and then we can't run on 2nd and long (which most of the time was after an incomplete on 1st down). It's always we need to throw throw throw.

Robert Mathis vs. Terry / Turley is a mismatch. If we throw a lot, we get strip sacks. This is proven over and over again. We try to control the number of situations in which our passer is exposed. That's how we keep a game close when we are clearly outmatched by the Super Bowl champs on the road.
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The running on third and long isn't hard to explain. Herm and company are so afraid of a sack on second and long, they'd rather run it and face third and 7.

At times like these I think it's best just to accept the fact that unless we have a dominant running game, the offense won't succeed while Herm is here.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:24 PM   #41
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You 're killing me.

You're telling me we can't run on 1st and 10, and then we can't run on 2nd and long (which most of the time was after an incomplete on 1st down). It's always we need to throw throw throw.

Robert Mathis vs. Terry / Turley is a mismatch. If we throw a lot, we get strip sacks. This is proven over and over again. We try to control the number of situations in which our passer is exposed. That's how we keep a game close when we are clearly outmatched by the Super Bowl champs on the road.
It's called "mixing it up" Key words aren't "can't run on 1st and 10 or 2nd and long" they are "can't ALWAYS run on 1st and 10 and 2nd and long." Big difference between the two. We are just too frigging predictable. Way too easy to defend when you are so predictable.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:25 PM   #42
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You 're killing me.

You're telling me we can't run on 1st and 10, and then we can't run on 2nd and long (which most of the time was after an incomplete on 1st down). It's always we need to throw throw throw.

Robert Mathis vs. Terry / Turley is a mismatch. If we throw a lot, we get strip sacks. This is proven over and over again. We try to control the number of situations in which our passer is exposed. That's how we keep a game close when we are clearly outmatched by the Super Bowl champs on the road.

Once in a while. All I ask is that once in a while we try to keep a drive going if first down isn't successful. We have teams putting 8 or 9 in the box on 2nd and long and 3rd and long now. Just one time in four or five if we don't care about winning, just one time in four or five, let's try a pass in a passing situation. There's a reason that they're called passing situations. They aren't supposed to be called prep-for-punting situations. They're passing situations. Let's give it a whirl and see what happens.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:26 PM   #43
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And that whole "protecting the ball" has worked out how well so far this year? How many turnovers have we had this year?
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:26 PM   #44
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:26 PM   #45
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You 're killing me.

You're telling me we can't run on 1st and 10, and then we can't run on 2nd and long (which most of the time was after an incomplete on 1st down). It's always we need to throw throw throw.

Robert Mathis vs. Terry / Turley is a mismatch. If we throw a lot, we get strip sacks. This is proven over and over again. We try to control the number of situations in which our passer is exposed. That's how we keep a game close when we are clearly outmatched by the Super Bowl champs on the road.

So roll the QB out away from Mathis. This is simple stuff, not rocket science or even brain surgery.
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