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Old 02-06-2014, 12:01 PM   #841
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I would say that it's true. Furthermore, I would say Princeton agrees with me.

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/a.../S26/91/22K07/


From all that I've heard is that it changes your metabolism when longterm exposure is encountered.
Cool, good find. I now agree with you and Princeton.

It's just more fuel to an already blazing fire.
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Old 02-06-2014, 12:23 PM   #842
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Because the Mayor of NY is regulating the consumer.

Why not regulate the PRODUCER? Oh that's right, because they're giving you boatloads of money...
and getting boatloads of money from you.

I was reading in my microeconomics book yesterday about this very topic. The very politicians who are screaming at the outrage over this are the same ones causing the problem.
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Old 02-06-2014, 12:36 PM   #843
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and getting boatloads of money from you.

I was reading in my microeconomics book yesterday about this very topic. The very politicians who are screaming at the outrage over this are the same ones causing the problem.
The system exists to enrich the system. The most hilarious thing in the world is watching our politicians grandstand about the widening gap between rich and poor, as if they're not directly contributing to it.
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Old 02-06-2014, 01:39 PM   #844
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I would say that it's true. Furthermore, I would say Princeton agrees with me.

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/a.../S26/91/22K07/


From all that I've heard is that it changes your metabolism when longterm exposure is encountered.

I don't know if HFCS directly causes obesity but those are rodent studies. Rats are not furry little humans and there are a lot of things that can affect rats that don't affect humans, and vice versa.

Rat studies are a good starting point but you need double-blinded human studies to know for sure.

IMO, the worst thing about HFCS is that it is very cheap, so it ends up in everything to add more palatability, which can motivate people to overeat. Plus, it adds extra calories that aren't necessary.
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Old 02-06-2014, 01:53 PM   #845
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IMO, the worst thing about HFCS is that it is very cheap, so it ends up in everything to add more palatability, which can motivate people to overeat.
It's the same reason so many things have glutamates or calcium caseinate in them.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:01 PM   #846
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Elaborate.

I mean, sure, it's very easy to say HFCS doesn't "cause" obesity in the sense that simple exposure to it makes you fat. But if you eat sufficient quantities, it can be an extreme contributing factor. And in a society that is bombarded with it, isn't it more practical to look at HFCS as a significant "cause", though it isn't technically true?
prolonged over-consumption of calories = weight gain. Too much weight gain = obesity. It doesn't matter if you over eat sugar, steak or apples.. if you eat more than you burn, you get fat.

HFCS issue is the amount of insulin needed to clear it from the blood. You can eat in a caloric deficit all day, and drink tons of soda. You won't end up fat, but will be diagnosed with diabetes. people sippin on pop all day or eating small sugary snacks will lead to insulin issues.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:23 PM   #847
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prolonged over-consumption of calories = weight gain. Too much weight gain = obesity. It doesn't matter if you over eat sugar, steak or apples.. if you eat more than you burn, you get fat.

HFCS issue is the amount of insulin needed to clear it from the blood. You can eat in a caloric deficit all day, and drink tons of soda. You won't end up fat, but will be diagnosed with diabetes. people sippin on pop all day or eating small sugary snacks will lead to insulin issues.
Oh, okay. Thanks. They haven't taught us the very basics of obesity in medical school. Thank you so much.

The second paragraph makes zero sense. You seem to forget that all food that we take in and utilized must be converted to glucose and is stored in cells by insulin. It's not just being bombarded with sugar, but an assault of our system with all foods because the final common pathway is the same. If you eat an unhealthy diet full of carbohydrates and fat, you will increase your blood glucose and down-regulate receptors that mediate the release of insulin. Once those receptors are fully desensitized, you will be clinically diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The problem with pop is you can get to the end much easier due to its caloric density from sugar.

And, as Dick Pull () mentioned, HFCS does impede normal metabolism, according to a study he cited that compared a HFCS drink and a Sugar drink with the same caloric amount. I don't know how it translates to a quantitative risk factor for diabetes and obesity, but suffice it to say that it likely doesn't help.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:46 PM   #848
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The second paragraph makes zero sense. You seem to forget that all food that we take in and utilized must be converted to glucose and is stored in cells by insulin.
Really? They teach you that all food is converted to glucose?

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And, as Dick Pull () mentioned, HFCS does impede normal metabolism, according to a study he cited that compared a HFCS drink and a Sugar drink with the same caloric amount. I don't know how it translates to a quantitative risk factor for diabetes and obesity, but suffice it to say that it likely doesn't help.
There is no proof that this happens in humans. However, you probably shouldn't feed your rats massive quantities of HFCS sweetened water.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:00 PM   #849
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Really? They teach you that all food is converted to glucose?



There is no proof that this happens in humans. However, you probably shouldn't feed your rats massive quantities of HFCS sweetened water.
I should revise it to say that all food that contributes to caloric needs of the body have a final common pathway (given the topic is about obesity and diabetes, I thought that would be assumed). So sorry, fiber, vitamins, electrolytes, etc. Huge deal and highly pertinent to the topic at hand.

To the other point, I don't really care. It wasn't my intention to be fact checked when it was shown by another poster to be true. To be honest, I just agreed, and though it may be a minor contributing factor in humans, I don't really care. It's certainly not worth winning a dumb argument over.
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Elaborate.

I mean, sure, it's very easy to say HFCS doesn't "cause" obesity in the sense that simple exposure to it makes you fat. But if you eat sufficient quantities, it can be an extreme contributing factor. And in a society that is bombarded with it, isn't it more practical to look at HFCS as a significant "cause", though it isn't technically true?
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/88/6/1716S.full

Also, you are posting that Princeton study with rat trials. Rats have a very different carbohydrate metabolism than humans do. They aren't comparable 1:1.
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:46 PM   #851
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The second paragraph makes zero sense. You seem to forget that all food that we take in and utilized must be converted to glucose and is stored in cells by insulin. It's not just being bombarded with sugar, but an assault of our system with all foods because the final common pathway is the same. If you eat an unhealthy diet full of carbohydrates and fat, you will increase your blood glucose and down-regulate receptors that mediate the release of insulin. Once those receptors are fully desensitized, you will be clinically diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The problem with pop is you can get to the end much easier due to its caloric density from sugar.
Your bro-science is strong. Yes, all foods illicit a slin response.. which is not a big deal. Its the speed at which said food raises your blood sugar levels that is the issue. Couple that with the amount of crap sugar that people are ingesting daily throughout the day, and you have a problem. I don't see many fatties or diabetics that got there eating oatmeal, rice, fruit and potatoes as their carb sources.. but lots that eat heavily refined shit. Dont need to be a doctor to figure this shit out.
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The system exists to enrich the system. The most hilarious thing in the world is watching our politicians grandstand about the widening gap between rich and poor, as if they're not directly contributing to it.
And benefiting from it. I read the other day that, for the first time in our history, a majority in congress are millionaires. They bitch & moan about income inequality and then go vote themselves a raise.
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Your bro-science is strong. Yes, all foods illicit a slin response.. which is not a big deal. Its the speed at which said food raises your blood sugar levels that is the issue. Couple that with the amount of crap sugar that people are ingesting daily throughout the day, and you have a problem. I don't see many fatties or diabetics that got there eating oatmeal, rice, fruit and potatoes as their carb sources.. but lots that eat heavily refined shit. Dont need to be a doctor to figure this shit out.
Bro Science: Taught in medical schools everywhere.

Insulin is absolutely imperative to the storage of everything that has caloric value. My point has nothing to do with the slang term "slin".

I'm not going to continue to argue with someone who calls fundamental processes related to Glycolysis, glycogenolysis, and gluconeogenesis broscience, while you use terms like "slin" (common broscience term) or "fatties" (totally unscientific term) and phrases like "I don't see" (implying you've observed the dietary habits of individuals extensively). Dude, you reek of bro, bodybuilding terms that have no substance or place in academic discussions about these things.

It's really not worth the time.

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Bro Science: Taught in medical schools everywhere.

Insulin is absolutely imperative to the storage of everything that has caloric value. My point has nothing to do with the slang term "slin".

I'm not going to continue to argue with someone who calls fundamental processes related to Glycolysis, glycogenolysis, and gluconeogenesis broscience, while you use terms like "slin" (common broscience term) or "fatties" (totally unscientific term) and phrases like "I don't see" (implying you've observed the dietary habits of individuals extensively). Dude, you reek of bro, bodybuilding terms that have no substance or place in academic discussions about these things.

It's really not worth the time.
gluconeogenesis in an individual who's diet mainly consists of large amounts of sugar already?

Your right, not worth the time.
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gluconeogenesis in an individual who's diet mainly consists of large amounts of sugar already?

Your right, not worth the time.
What is the storage form of glucose? How is glucose utilized? What happens when your body has too much? Too little? What is ketogenesis? Do a big ****ing google search and get back to me.

It's not glucose goes in, it's utilized by cells for energy, and then that's it. Metabolism is a continuous spectrum whereby gluconeogenesis and glycolysis are occurring at the same time to different degrees based on the current metabolic needs of the individual.
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