Rasslin is CHA CHA LA..LA,LA,LA,LA,LA

[Ultra Peanut]

RAW. IS. FANDANGO!
#AJALL

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

That about made me laugh my ass off a few weeks ago, her giving Natalie Neidhart a lecture about what to do in the ring.



Main event tonight is a repeat of Cena/Cryme Tyme versus JBL/Priceless

I don't really mind that, they're trying to get the two younger teams over, but the way they're cramming JBL down everybody's throat is just nuts. Nobody cares. Cena can't even get him heat.

Vince loves JBL, he really does they treat him like he's Austin in his prime, why I don't know.

I guess being a blow hard republican is good enough for Vince.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He can't work worth a damn anymore because he can't move. He's slow. I don't even like Cena, but I think it's hard to make an argument that HHH is all that much of a better worker than him at this point in his career.

Just because he commands a 20 minute match at nearly every PPV he wrestles at doesn't mean he's a good worker.

Since his first quad injury, HHH has wrestled for the WWE or WHC at every Wrestlemania that he has competed in. (18-22, 24)

Hogan never did that more than 3 straight WM's. (1-3, 4-7). And no one was ever more of a top guy than Hogan in the 80's WWF.

People hate on HHH because he buries his opponents--Either in the ring or on the mic. He goes into business for himself. And the ratings bear that out.

Was this post indended to be a response to the points I made, or just confirmation of them?

You continue to rally on this issue like you're discovering new ground here. You aren't. Can you imagine someone signing up here and going "Gee, guys, I'm starting to think this Carl Peterson fellow might not be a very successful general manager!" And can you imagine him continuing to hammer that point, which everyone else figured out years ago?

That's you on this topic. And, true to form, you continue to use ridiculous hyperbole when trying to make your point.

You've made two references now to "ratings". Are you honestly under the impression that Raw's ratings are up because HHH isn't on the show? That's kind of an unusual position to take for any number of reasons, not the least of which being the upswing Smackdown is on since he moved there.

You said HHH is "always" in the main events, even when he's not wrestling for the world title. You gave 2 examples, one going back to 4 years ago. I can give you twice that many examples of PPVs where he WASN'T in the main event from just last year.

You're hammering a point that the rest of the world came to terms with 5 years ago, and you're completely exaggerating at best, making things up at worst, to try proving a position THAT DOESN'T NEED PROVING.

Do you really wonder why this...

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And yet, on wrestling boards when I argue that HHH is a backstage politician who never puts anyone over, I'm treated as though I just wiped my ass with the pope's hat in the middle of an Easter service.

...is the reaction you get?

[Mecca]

You will get that reaction alot of times.....maybe he's not willing to bow down and accept it?

Basically you're argument right now is "H isn't going away shutup and deal with it"

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Basically you're argument right now is "H isn't going away shutup and deal with it"

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER

JOHNNY, TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BigRock

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER

JOHNNY, TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON

Why should he accept that?

That's like saying "Yo this wrestling show it totally blows I know you're a big fan and all but just deal with it, you have no place to complain about it"

If you've been a fan for a long time I think you have a right to complain about shit you don't like, the problem is most WWE fans are sheep and will eventually accept what they are fed to like.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Was this post indended to be a response to the points I made, or just confirmation of them?

You continue to rally on this issue like you're discovering new ground here. You aren't. Can you imagine someone signing up here and going "Gee, guys, I'm starting to think this Carl Peterson fellow might not be a very successful general manager!" And can you imagine him continuing to hammer that point, which everyone else figured out years ago?

That's you on this topic. And, true to form, you continue to use ridiculous hyperbole when trying to make your point.

You've made two references now to "ratings". Are you honestly under the impression that Raw's ratings are up because HHH isn't on the show? That's kind of an unusual position to take for any number of reasons, not the least of which being the upswing Smackdown is on since he moved there.

You said HHH is "always" in the main events, even when he's not wrestling for the world title. You gave 2 examples, one going back to 4 years ago. I can give you twice that many examples of PPVs where he WASN'T in the main event from just last year.

You're hammering a point that the rest of the world came to terms with 5 years ago, and you're completely exaggerating at best, making things up at worst, to try proving a position THAT DOESN'T NEED PROVING.

Do you really wonder why this...



...is the reaction you get?

He ME'd No Mercy, The Royal Rumble (one of the last two guys in the finish), No Way Out, WM, Backlash, ONS, NOC, GAB, just since his return from injury.

Just because I'm not some dumb sonofabitch who cheers who Vince tells me to doesn't make my analysis of the matter insignificant.

I can give you a plethora of all of the above examples, the run sheet shit with Shawn when they were in LA, the OVW stamp on the Spirit Squad's box, telling Cena that his fan base was comprised of six year olds. There comes a point when breaking the fourth wall to get yourself over is a detriment to the business.

You still haven't offered any kind of response to my comments other than someone else has mentioned it before. Well, perhaps that's because it's true. I'm loathe to quote T.O., but if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it's a rat.

Oh, but Hunter is booked as the top face, therefore he should be cheered. Well, he can't work a match above three snowflakes anymore without buckets of blood, his promos consist of "I'm better than you, [insert shoot comment]" for an interminably long period, and even when he doesn't have the titles, the announcers constantly put him over as the best in the business. The guy's ego is so big he simply cannot step aside. Even when he's not the champ, he has to be referred to as the best. Supposedly, that's good for business. Well, if it really was that good for business, why do RAW ratings drop when he's champ, and why do guys like the Hardys and Cena blow him out of the water in regards to merch sales? Why does CM Punk get buried when he outpops DX in Chicago?

It's a simple matter of ego. He has to be booked as a monster to satisfy his own insecurity. He wants to be Flair, and he wants to be bigger than Austin or Hogan, but he'll never be that. He's Dave Winfield trying to imitate Reggie Jackson...Hell, he's more Harold Minor than he is Michael Jordan. But the guys holding the books are constantly directed to push him as though he's the greatest thing to ever grace wrestling.

Just because you get a God push doesn't mean you deserve it: See: Lesnar, Brock; Goldberg, Bill.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigRock

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER

JOHNNY, TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON

Tard logic if I've ever seen it.

[Boris The Great]

Re: ratings

The rating for Raw the week before the draft was 3.3. The draft itself in the two normal hours for Raw did a 3.7. They were at 3.5 the next two weeks but dropped to 3.2 last week.

That shows a big bump for the draft show and they managed to hold some of that extra audience for the next two weeks. But last week it was back down to pre-draft levels. This week, coming off a PPV, maybe they will rise back up.

For Smackdown, the week before the draft had a rating of 2.1. (Keep in mind cable and network ratings are figured differently.) The episode after the draft did a 2.5. That is a big jump without something like the draft as a hook. And last weeks rating was a 2.7.

Smackdown has been doing very well since the draft, which is when HHH and others moved over. Raw had the benefit of the draft to bring in new viewers, but doesnt look like it is keeping them.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Why should he accept that?

Because... absolutely nothing he says or does is going to change it?

Don't let me stop you, though. FIGHT THE POWER, BRO.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Because... absolutely nothing he says or does is going to change it?

Don't let me stop you, though. FIGHT THE POWER, BRO.

That's like saying you shouldn't complain about the Chiefs when they suck, just accept it.

There are 2 things that I know about Triple H that are absolute facts, by the time he retires he'll have held more world titles than Flair being the most decorated and 2 the guy was so jealous of the Rock it was absolutely funny. Remember when the Rock came back and did the great skits with Hurricane what did H do...he promptly buried him..

There is no doubt that H was always jealous of the Rock, truth is for a guy who idolized Flair, H is more and more like Hogan everyday just without the big gates or mainstream notoriety, he's Hogan without what made Hogan, Hogan.

[Ultra Peanut]

This seems pertinent:

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He ME'd No Mercy, The Royal Rumble (one of the last two guys in the finish), No Way Out, WM, Backlash, ONS, NOC, GAB, just since his return from injury.

He ME'd No Mercy because Cena got hurt. His match with Umaga wasn't the planned main event. On top of that, his matches with Booker at SummerSlam, Carlito at Unforgiven, and Jeff Hardy at Armageddon weren't main events either.

Your assertion that he's always in the main events is yet more ridiculous hyperbole.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Just because I'm not some dumb sonofabitch who cheers who Vince tells me to doesn't make my analysis of the matter insignificant.

Insignificant, no. Wrong, yes.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I can give you a plethora of all of the above examples, the run sheet shit with Shawn when they were in LA, the OVW stamp on the Spirit Squad's box, telling Cena that his fan base was comprised of six year olds. There comes a point when breaking the fourth wall to get yourself over is a detriment to the business.

OH NO NOT THE OVW BOX

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You still haven't offered any kind of response to my comments

Sure I have, they just go in one ear and out the other. Say, here's one now:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, he can't work a match above three snowflakes anymore without buckets of blood

HHH vs. Cena - Night of Champions: **** (no blood)

But your continued mistake is that I'm trying to refute your comments about HHH. I'm not. I'm asking why you feel the need to continue watching it while rallying against something that you're never, ever going to change, even though most of the world moved on 5 years ago.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That's like saying you shouldn't complain about the Chiefs when they suck, just accept it.

No, it's not. It's like complaining that Carl Peterson is the general manager. He's not getting fired. He's not going to say "I'm not doing a good enough job" and quit. He'll be there until he retires.

Nobody likes it, but we've all come to accept it.

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Cena is disliked because hes marketed to people who are 6

The bigger problem with Cena is that he got pushed like Jesus Christ Almighty for two straight years as they pushed him down everyones throat. He is a charismatic guy and he can talk, but he isnt close to Steve Austin or The Rock or Hogan, and he got put over everyone like he was invincible.

Look at CM Punk, the reactions to him havent been that great since he won the belt. People are saying he looked weak at the PPV, but I guarantee that if he went out and beat Batista, he would be the next Cena in terms of crowds booing him when they should be cheering.

The Punk match last night was a good match. He went back and forth with Batista, it wasnt like he was getting dominated. But people are acting like if Punk didnt win that match clean, then it somehow makes him look bad. Has nothing been learned? There is no need to push Punk down peoples throats. Pushing him as an underdog champ doesnt make him the Honky Tonk Man. Bret Hart was an underdog champ his first time out, that worked pretty good.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

The bigger problem with Cena is that he got pushed like Superman for two straight years as they shoved him down everyones throat. He is a charismatic guy and he can talk, but he isnt close to Steve Austin or The Rock or Hogan, and he got put over everyone like he was invincible.

Look at CM Punk, the reactions to him havent been that great since he won the belt. People are saying he looked weak at the PPV, but I guarantee that if he went out and beat Batista, he would be the next Cena in terms of crowds booing him when they should be cheering.

The Punk match last night was a good match. He went back and forth with Batista, it wasnt like he was getting dominated. But people are acting like if Punk didnt win that match clean, then it somehow makes him look bad. Has nothing been learned? There is no need to push Punk down peoples throats. Pushing him as an underdog champ doesnt make him the Honky Tonk Man. Bret Hart was an underdog champ his first time out.

You should probably win your match though, if he keeps being booked like that be comes Mysterio which makes him a lame duck.