Royals 2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 683

**alnorth** · 10:54 PM

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:

Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

Quote:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

Deberg_1990 · 12-10-2012, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

maybe the Royals weren't as high on Myers as everyone else?

Thats sort of what im wondering?

KCUnited · 12-10-2012, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Per twitter, Fescoe loves this deal.

Fescoe is fingering his own butthole while sucking off this trade.

"Enjoy this year! Bunch of Eeyore's walking around this morning."

BlackHelicopters · 12-10-2012, 07:48 AM

I love GMDM. Please fist me. Searching for a tall building, folks.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-10-2012, 07:51 AM

Well, lets hope like hell Odorizzi and Myers bust.

I really don't like the fact that Shieds will be 31 soon.

Deberg_1990 · 12-10-2012, 07:52 AM

@ Rany...

Complete Analysis of the Myers-Shields Trade.
This sucks

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2012/...lds-trade.html

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-10-2012, 08:03 AM

Well, I'm optimistic.

I'm use to being disappointed, so the only way is up.

If Shields pitches like he has the past 2 seasons, It'll be worth it because we have no clue what Myers and Odorizzi would have done here.

Onward and upward.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-10-2012, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Wife walks downstairs. Sees my listless look on the couch:

"What's wrong?"
"Royals made a trade."
"Was it bad?"
"I feel like I've been raped."
"You haven't been raped; that's a terrible analogy."
"I've been emotionally raped at the very least."

Walks back upstairs annoyed.

I'm not near the diehard, you and others here are, but I've always loved the Royals. I was indoctrinated into them at the same time I was the Chiefs. I've just become apathetic to baseball in general FTMP. This is however my favorite quote I found regarding the trade from a Rays fan. Fescoe was going on about how 78% of the fanbase was just as unhappy with the trade as Royals fans are so I did a little digging. I didn't find that at all, but I did see this which pretty much sums up the thoughts of most of you this morning.

Quote:

I'm not necessarily talking about Myers, more for all the other prospects we have got.

We have robbed KC's farm system apparently (as a lot of people are saying).

**ChiTown** · 12-10-2012, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

@ Rany...

Complete Analysis of the Myers-Shields Trade.
This sucks

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2012/...lds-trade.html

I love Rany, and succinctly, I agree with his analysis.

BlackHelicopters · 12-10-2012, 08:08 AM

Tampa newspaper quotes Tampa GM as saying all three additional prospects should contribute on the Major League level this year. Then the depression set in.

siberian khatru · 12-10-2012, 08:08 AM

Jeff Passan talks us down off the ledge:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb--ro...092108961.html

(Excerpts)

Desperate? Hell yeah this was a desperate trade. More than a quarter-century of irrelevance tends to foster desperation. The awful feeling of Tommy John surgeries piling up tends to hasten desperation. The knowledge that almost no team in baseball can match the Royals' youth – catcher Salvador Perez, first baseman Eric Hosmer, shortstop Alcides Escobar, third baseman Mike Moustakas, left fielder Alex Gordon, center fielder Lorenzo Cain and DH Billy Butler – and that they were primed to piss away another year of it to mediocre starting pitching tends to activate desperation.

Across the game Sunday night, they dropped LOLs in text messages about the Royals doing it again – about one of the teams that must rely on young, controllable talent giving away Myers, pitchers Jake Odorizzi and Mike Montgomery and power-hitting Patrick Leonard for two years of Shields and up to five of Wade Davis, who they'll try to return to the rotation after a breakout year in the bullpen. They laughed because in a straightforward analysis of talent, cost and control, this was not a good trade for the Royals.

They failed to recognize it was a necessary trade. Not necessary because Moore is trying to save his job – any GM who cultivates the farm system Moore has and locks in Perez, Escobar, Gordon and Butler to superb contracts is doing something right – but because he understood that without better pitching, the Royals weren't winning the American League Central, let alone a World Series. And with owner David Glass handcuffing the team's budget and making a run at Anibal Sanchez an impossibility, Moore's options were to dip into a deep cache of young talent and trade for a starter or jam a lesser free agent into an opening day role.

While Shields is a known quantity – six straight seasons of 200-plus innings, a strikeout rate that approached one per inning last year and battle scars of the AL East to show for it – there is little allure in the expected. The fetishization of prospects is a baseball-wide malady, and it's why sentiment skewed decidedly in the Rays' favor. Granted, it should – Myers has the sort of talent that wins awards, Odorizzi looks like a mid-rotation starter, Montgomery is a high-ceiling left-hander and Leonard comes with the one tool, power, that everybody wants – but not nearly to the degree it did.

There's a reason Tampa Bay turned down Myers for Shields straight up. There's a reason Oakland turned down Myers for Brett Anderson straight up. Despite the scouting reports that glow and the awards he won this year, the 22-year-old Myers remains a risk. He is a safer one than most – his .314/.387/.600 line with 37 home runs between Double-A and Triple-A last season portends stardom – but any number of players have aced the minor leagues only to lag behind early in their major league careers.

Gordon was Myers six years ago, and it took him four seasons to establish himself. Hosmer and Moustakas were Myers two years ago, and both still have plenty of flaws heading into their third seasons. Scouts agree that Myers has far too much swing-and-miss in his game and that strikeouts could hinder his productivity, especially early in his career. Some don't think Myers' power will translate to the major leagues, either, though that opinion isn't altogether common.

Perhaps the most important point is why the Rays and A's wouldn't deal two years of Shields or three years of Anderson for Myers' entire pre-free agency career: He's a right fielder, and corner outfielders, while not a dime a dozen – see: Reggie Sanders, Jose Guillen, Jeff Francoeur and the misery they've unleashed upon Kansas City – are not exactly bank-breaking sorts, either. Whether it's Josh Willingham, Jason Kubel or Ryan Ludwick, it's easy to find someone cheap who can hit in a corner-outfield spot. Unless Myers develops into a Gold Glove-caliber fielder – no scouts expect that – he needs to hit like Ryan Braun to develop into a star .And there are but five players in baseball with Braun's bat.

When Moore talks with his amateur scouts, he tells them to target four things: center fielders, shortstops, catchers and starting pitchers. He recognizes and appreciates positional value, and that was the genesis of this deal. Starting pitching of Shields' caliber on the free-agent market takes five years and at least $15 million a season, the sort of contract that would suck up 20 percent of the Royals' budget and leave them a ligament tear away from disaster. At around $22 million over the next two seasons, Shields, who will be 31 and 32 during those years, represents a bargain.

**ChiTown** · 12-10-2012, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

maybe the Royals weren't as high on Myers as everyone else?

could be why they didn't bring him up and 'expose him' this year and perhap lower his value. I dunno, i got nothin'

I think the Royals weren't as high on Jake O and Monty, as everyone else may be. I don't know anyone in their right mind that wouldn't be crazy optimistic about Myers.

BlackHelicopters · 12-10-2012, 08:10 AM

Still on the ledge, but not as far out.

siberian khatru · 12-10-2012, 08:12 AM

And now SOC has started a "Save Our Royals" movement:

http://www.facebook.com/SaveOurRoyalsKC

**DeezNutz** · 12-10-2012, 08:12 AM

Rany on 810. Owning. Scary Shields' splits.

Morning after and I still hate the shit out of this trade and believe DM is dumb as ****. But I'm not going to continue to be a bitch about this, since I've made my overall point, repeatedly and clearly.

Bottom line: Royals must make the playoffs in '13 or DM must be fired. You make this deal, that's the implicit side deal that you sign off on as the GM. Anyone that doesn't hold Moore to this standard is being a chickenshit.

**ChiTown** · 12-10-2012, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Rany on 810. Owning. Scary Shields' splits.

Morning after and I still hate the shit out of this trade and believe DM is dumb as ****. But I'm not going to continue to be a bitch about this, since I've made my overall point, repeatedly and clearly.

Bottom line: Royals must make the playoffs in '13 or DM must be fired. You make this deal, that's the implicit side deal that you sign off on as the GM. Anyone that doesn't hold Moore to this standard is being a chickenshit.

How can you say Playoffs in '13, and "knowingly know" that Frenchy is going to be your opening day RF? Off with your head!

12-10-2012, 07:48 AM	#10233
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12-10-2012, 07:51 AM	#10234
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Well, lets hope like hell Odorizzi and Myers bust. I really don't like the fact that Shieds will be 31 soon.
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12-10-2012, 07:52 AM	#10235
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3944454	@ Rany... Complete Analysis of the Myers-Shields Trade. This sucks http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2012/...lds-trade.html __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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12-10-2012, 08:03 AM	#10236
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Well, I'm optimistic. I'm use to being disappointed, so the only way is up. If Shields pitches like he has the past 2 seasons, It'll be worth it because we have no clue what Myers and Odorizzi would have done here. Onward and upward.
Posts: 59,997

12-10-2012, 08:08 AM	#10239
BlackHelicopters Spiraling down the Drain Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dante's Ninth Circle Casino cash: $2830588	Tampa newspaper quotes Tampa GM as saying all three additional prospects should contribute on the Major League level this year. Then the depression set in. __________________ "We're both part of the same hypocrisy, Senator, but never think it applies to my family." "Fredo. You are my brother, and I love you. But never take sides against the Family again. Ever." 2019 Adopt a Chief - Travis Kelce #87
Posts: 31,641

12-10-2012, 08:08 AM	#10240
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2664950	Jeff Passan talks us down off the ledge: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb--ro...092108961.html (Excerpts) Desperate? Hell yeah this was a desperate trade. More than a quarter-century of irrelevance tends to foster desperation. The awful feeling of Tommy John surgeries piling up tends to hasten desperation. The knowledge that almost no team in baseball can match the Royals' youth – catcher Salvador Perez, first baseman Eric Hosmer, shortstop Alcides Escobar, third baseman Mike Moustakas, left fielder Alex Gordon, center fielder Lorenzo Cain and DH Billy Butler – and that they were primed to piss away another year of it to mediocre starting pitching tends to activate desperation. Across the game Sunday night, they dropped LOLs in text messages about the Royals doing it again – about one of the teams that must rely on young, controllable talent giving away Myers, pitchers Jake Odorizzi and Mike Montgomery and power-hitting Patrick Leonard for two years of Shields and up to five of Wade Davis, who they'll try to return to the rotation after a breakout year in the bullpen. They laughed because in a straightforward analysis of talent, cost and control, this was not a good trade for the Royals. They failed to recognize it was a necessary trade. Not necessary because Moore is trying to save his job – any GM who cultivates the farm system Moore has and locks in Perez, Escobar, Gordon and Butler to superb contracts is doing something right – but because he understood that without better pitching, the Royals weren't winning the American League Central, let alone a World Series. And with owner David Glass handcuffing the team's budget and making a run at Anibal Sanchez an impossibility, Moore's options were to dip into a deep cache of young talent and trade for a starter or jam a lesser free agent into an opening day role. While Shields is a known quantity – six straight seasons of 200-plus innings, a strikeout rate that approached one per inning last year and battle scars of the AL East to show for it – there is little allure in the expected. The fetishization of prospects is a baseball-wide malady, and it's why sentiment skewed decidedly in the Rays' favor. Granted, it should – Myers has the sort of talent that wins awards, Odorizzi looks like a mid-rotation starter, Montgomery is a high-ceiling left-hander and Leonard comes with the one tool, power, that everybody wants – but not nearly to the degree it did. There's a reason Tampa Bay turned down Myers for Shields straight up. There's a reason Oakland turned down Myers for Brett Anderson straight up. Despite the scouting reports that glow and the awards he won this year, the 22-year-old Myers remains a risk. He is a safer one than most – his .314/.387/.600 line with 37 home runs between Double-A and Triple-A last season portends stardom – but any number of players have aced the minor leagues only to lag behind early in their major league careers. Gordon was Myers six years ago, and it took him four seasons to establish himself. Hosmer and Moustakas were Myers two years ago, and both still have plenty of flaws heading into their third seasons. Scouts agree that Myers has far too much swing-and-miss in his game and that strikeouts could hinder his productivity, especially early in his career. Some don't think Myers' power will translate to the major leagues, either, though that opinion isn't altogether common. Perhaps the most important point is why the Rays and A's wouldn't deal two years of Shields or three years of Anderson for Myers' entire pre-free agency career: He's a right fielder, and corner outfielders, while not a dime a dozen – see: Reggie Sanders, Jose Guillen, Jeff Francoeur and the misery they've unleashed upon Kansas City – are not exactly bank-breaking sorts, either. Whether it's Josh Willingham, Jason Kubel or Ryan Ludwick, it's easy to find someone cheap who can hit in a corner-outfield spot. Unless Myers develops into a Gold Glove-caliber fielder – no scouts expect that – he needs to hit like Ryan Braun to develop into a star .And there are but five players in baseball with Braun's bat. When Moore talks with his amateur scouts, he tells them to target four things: center fielders, shortstops, catchers and starting pitchers. He recognizes and appreciates positional value, and that was the genesis of this deal. Starting pitching of Shields' caliber on the free-agent market takes five years and at least $15 million a season, the sort of contract that would suck up 20 percent of the Royals' budget and leave them a ligament tear away from disaster. At around $22 million over the next two seasons, Shields, who will be 31 and 32 during those years, represents a bargain.
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12-10-2012, 08:10 AM	#10242
BlackHelicopters Spiraling down the Drain Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dante's Ninth Circle Casino cash: $2830588	Still on the ledge, but not as far out. __________________ "We're both part of the same hypocrisy, Senator, but never think it applies to my family." "Fredo. You are my brother, and I love you. But never take sides against the Family again. Ever." 2019 Adopt a Chief - Travis Kelce #87
Posts: 31,641

12-10-2012, 08:12 AM	#10243
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2664950	And now SOC has started a "Save Our Royals" movement: http://www.facebook.com/SaveOurRoyalsKC
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