Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

[Quesadilla Joe]

North County Times reporting Seau "found dead by a housekeeper of a gunshot wound to the chest."

https://twitter.com/#!/LATimesfarmer...55054793560065


Junior Seau Dead Cops Investigating Shooting

Cops are currently at Seau's home just outside San Diego. Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Seau was a beast in the NFL -- skyrocketing to fame thanks to his explosive play with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. The USC standout was selected in the first round of the NFL draft in 1990 and played in the league for 20 years.

Seau was involved in a car accident back in 2010 when he drove his SUV off a cliff in Carlsbad, CA hours after he was arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend. Seau later said he was not trying to kill himself ... insisting he had fallen asleep at the wheel.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-dead/

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Mike Greenberg ‏ @Espngreeny
From SI,story Shefty referenced:2 years out of league,78% of #NFL players bankrupt or under financial stress due to joblessness or divorce.
Retweeted by Adam Schefter


Wow if true

The players would probably hate it but it should be made mandatory in all contracts that all NFL players should have to put so much of what they make in their own retirement fund or something similar.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

The players would probably hate it but it should be made mandatory in all contracts that all NFL players should have to put so much of what they make in their own retirement fund or something similar.

There's no way it would ever be allowed. The NFLPA wouldn't allow it and no judge or abitrator would either.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by philfree

The players would probably hate it but it should be made mandatory in all contracts that all NFL players should have to put so much of what they make in their own retirement fund or something similar.

Well, you simply can't force that on anyone... even if it makes sense to do so. 99% of Americans would do better by having this forced up on them. You can't save people from themselves in every aspect of life.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The NFL already spends a HUGE amount of time teaching these guys "life skills". The problem is that they're learning bad habits BEFORE they ever come to the NFL.

Hell, some of those guys drafted last week were showing off their 5-year old kids, which makes them 15 or 16 when they became a father. They get a free ride through college, often without being forced to actually have a real major (or even study for that matter) and on and on and on it goes.

The NFL doesn't necessarily deserve to bear the brunt of the blame, IMO. Society as a whole needs to take a step back and look at this if that's the case.

I don't think agents di these guys any favors either. These guys are hooked up with loans to buy their mom a car well before they sign their 1st contract. The lesson is just like the rest of the country I guess. Spend your money before you get it.

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The NFL doesn't necessarily deserve to bear the brunt of the blame, IMO. Society as a whole needs to take a step back and look at this if that's the case.

Exactly - the only people these athletes have to blame for their troubles is themselves.

If you knock a girl up at fifteen, it wasn't because society didn't raise you right, it's because you were a dumbass that made a bad decision and now you have to face the consequences.

If you blow all your retirement money, it wasn't because the NFL didn't educate you properly - it's because you were a dumbass that made bad decisions and now have to face the consequences.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I feel terribly for his family, friends, and fans. As for him, he's gone. It's what he wanted. Why should anyone feel badly for him? Watching his Mom was ****ing brutal.

"If we're so much the same like I always hear, why such different fortunes and fates? Some of us live in a cloud of fear, some live behind iron gates. Why such different fortunes and fates? It's somehow so badly arranged."

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's no way it would ever be allowed. The NFLPA wouldn't allow it and no judge or abitrator would either.

Actually the NFLPA should be the ones pushing for it. You know taking care of the players. Hell they could set up a fund.

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

where do we rate the suicide for attention seekers? Example, the other day call to 911 for help, "just took a bunch of pills and tried to kill myself". I'm first on scene, he/she wants water, has a bunch of paste in his/her mouth and lips. I say no, and ask what he/she took, answer was Ramelteon. Medic gets there, offers to let he/she have some water if he/she promises not to swallow it, only to rinse out his/her mouth. He/she swallows the water and the pills in front of us.

That was for attention, painfully obvious, but what if he/she died that night from the pills? Modern medicine is good, but sometimes it doesn't save everyone. Can I call those people idiots and pass judgement? Or should I say, "ahh, poor boy/girl, probably had a hard life, I'd probably be seeking attention anyway I could if I had been treated or seen what he/she saw."?

Which of these potential outcomes is worse: helping someone who might not be for really reals depressed enough to be completely suicidal*, or brushing off a suicidal person as being a "faker" and failing to get them the help they need?

*but still in a ****ed up enough state to FAKE being suicidal, which is probably deserving of some psychiatric attention nonetheless. So really, does it matter what your opinion of their situation is based on the tiny, desperate sliver of their life you were exposed to? Why not just help people and let the mental health professionals figure them out?

Mind reading is, like, really hard, dude.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Well, you simply can't force that on anyone... even if it makes sense to do so. 99% of Americans would do better by having this forced up on them. You can't save people from themselves in every aspect of life.

It happens every day with Social Security. But yeah you're probably right.

[ReynardMuldrake]

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

the first sentence isn't necessarily true - the stock market can collapse and all the banks and corporations can take back their 401Ks leaving everyone SOL (which can happen at any time even if highly unlikely)

the second sentence though is 100 percent correct

Uhh, no they can't. Where do you hear this crap?

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Which of these potential outcomes is worse: helping someone who might not be for really reals depressed enough to be completely suicidal*, or brushing off a suicidal person as being a "faker" and failing to get them the help they need?

it's worse for me, personally, to help a faker, because it wastes my time and energy.

if the other guy kills himself that's his problem.

this is assuming i don't know either potential suicide very well personally

[Fairplay]

If Junior could have seen how much of a commotion he would be stirring up he wouldn't have killed himself.

Originally Posted by lewdog

I totally don't mind this stance, especially when it is someone you don't know. It is just amazing that people claim that suicide is an idiotic action, no matter what the other circumstances were surrounding that situation or person.

It's especially for people I know, though. I am a bit of an enigma though. I have a friend who is in advanced stages of ALS. He's getting to the point where he can't move his hands and it's a big struggle to talk. If he killed himself, I would be okay with it. Heck, if he asked me to help him, I would figure something out.

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

it's worse for me, personally, to help a faker, because it wastes my time and energy.

if the other guy kills himself that's his problem.

this is assuming i don't know either potential suicide very well personally

Sorry, I was positing the question as though the respondent were a human with the capacity for empathy.

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Sorry, I was positing the question as though the respondent were a human with the capacity for empathy.

capitalism teaches me to succeed and make a profit and protect my own best interests for the sake of preserving my future for myself and my family. i can't do that by spending precious money-earning-hours providing a shoulder to cry on for the downtrodden.

don't try making me feel bad for being a product of my environment, you just sound like a commie.